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The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Please do not complain into the echo chamber of comments here. Please take a moment to support the EFF, call your representatives, and speak to friends and family. EFF: https://www.eff.org/ Find your reps: https://tryvoices.com/

I renewed with pride a month or so ago. The US has an enormous influence on the internet, and those of us on the outside are counting on you to look after it for us.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

until they start throttling encrypted traffic systematically

That's all fine an idea until people use steganography to hide encrypted messages in plain sight.

Good luck scaling that. Things like DesuDesuTalk have pretty limited adoption for a reason.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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It's a bit disappointing to see that aside from a few abstained votes, everybody just chose to vote along party lines. Do these people just rubber stamp a bill because there's a D or an R next to it? Even if it meant more nay votes for the bill, I really wish we had representatives that vote based on critical thought rather than what their friends were doing. I mean, as long as I'm dreaming too, we should give assemb…

More or less.

You might have a few R's (Amash?) that will pull the Libertarian card saying that free market should resolve this one it's own...choosing to ignore reality...the monopoly (just about) every American faces when it comes to choice for an ISP.

And obviously all the D's will vote yes as the rules were created and established in a Dem FCC / Presidency.

Despite party, it is sad to see quotes like Blackburn's carry any weight on any periodical outside of the puzzle section containing a where's waldo-esq spot the BS.

Here is the actual roll call for anyone curious, I had trouble finding it...maybe because the vote was so recent?: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll200.xml

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Time to start paying the VPN tax.

until they start throttling encrypted traffic systematically

That would piss off all big businesses that have remote workers that have to VPN to their networks.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Doesn't this mean the government can basically buy user data through shell corps and bypass warrants all together?

Does this mean we can crowdsource and buy the private browsing history of our favorite representatives and post them online for everybody to see?

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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It's a bit disappointing to see that aside from a few abstained votes, everybody just chose to vote along party lines. Do these people just rubber stamp a bill because there's a D or an R next to it? Even if it meant more nay votes for the bill, I really wish we had representatives that vote based on critical thought rather than what their friends were doing. I mean, as long as I'm dreaming too, we should give assemb…

One problem is that legislators need to make decisions on a wide range of domains. This leaves them subject to influence by expert lobbyists and party whips. Critical thought about an issue requires much more time and study than most people have except for their own specialization.

I assume you know how to pitch manure, program a computer, and cook a tasty meal. Yet tell me, how long would it take you to butcher a hog from carcass to grocery portions? Have you ever done so?

How long would it take you to plan an invasion of the scale of the landings at Inchon? Have you ever done so?

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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It's a bit disappointing to see that aside from a few abstained votes, everybody just chose to vote along party lines. Do these people just rubber stamp a bill because there's a D or an R next to it? Even if it meant more nay votes for the bill, I really wish we had representatives that vote based on critical thought rather than what their friends were doing. I mean, as long as I'm dreaming too, we should give assemb…

> Do these people just rubber stamp a bill because there's a D or an R next to it?

Pretty much, yes. It's fucking depressing.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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(1) This wipes out almost all the value of surveillance companies that don't require logins. Why bother with doubleclick et al when you can get data straight from the ISP?

(2) HTTPS makes a limited amount of sense. Even on encrypted connections, ISPs know which domains you visit. In some situations they may also be able to MITM your certificates and read the data you transmit.

(3) Any semblance of privacy now requires either a reputable VPN or TOR.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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I know the political issues are different than in SOPA, but this situation reminds me of how powerful publicity is as a factor in legislation. SOPA was a mostly-unheard of bill that seemed certain to pass (had a huge number of bipartisan sponsors in the Senate [0] and the House [1]) until it blew up into a big online campaign and became mainstream with the blackout [2]. I remember many legislators' staff saying it was the most email and calls they had ever received in a day/week, and these are for members of Congress who voted on Obamacare and the 2002 authorization of use of force in Iraq.

I can't pretend I know what it's like to be a general layperson about tech, but my base instinct is that this issue of Internet privacy protections is much more salient to the average person than SOPA. Yet even as a follower of politics, I barely heard about this until last week when the Senate voted on it.

I can think of a couple of factors:

1. Internet giants advocated heavily against SOPA. Those same companies have less incentive to argue against selling user data, even though selling data at the ISP level is, to me, substantially different than at the website/service level.

2. So much political energy and attention has been spent on the Trump Administration, particularly on the recent push to repeal Obamacare. IIRC, even though SOPA didn't get much media coverage until around the week of the blackout, it wasn't competing with anything quite as big as this past week's vote on Obamacare (nevermind the other issues surrounding the executive branch).

[0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-bill/968...

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/3261...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA

Edit: Worth pointing out the Senate vote from last week, in which no Republican broke ranks in a 50-48 vote. 2 Republicans were not present (edit: I originally wrote "abstained"), including Sen. Rand Paul who is listed as a co-sponsor:

https://projects.propublica.org/represent/votes/115/senate/1...

https://www.flake.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases...

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