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Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

#41
I've had problems with QUIC in various networks (corp, home) mainly in Singapore for more than a year. Until the point I disable QUIC as one of the first steps when I encounter GMail connectivity problems from Chrome/Chromium on a fresh machine.

I find it odd that QUIC is enabled by default when it apparently has poor fallback capabilities to "non-QUIC" mode.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

#42

same here in Germany on windows this morning.. also had to disable QUIC. Funnily I switched to Microsoft Edge for a short while, but have once again realized why its unusable. After about 1-2 minutes using it, the entire browser became unresponsive for about 60 seconds. Afterwards I couldnt press sign-in on YouTube because an invisible IFrame from the OneNote Web Clipper Extension was overlaying it. Nobody seems to b…

No dedicated testing team is ever going to beat the developers dogfooding the tool daily. I wish I had access to metrics from stackoverflow et al, to see if Microsoft inhouse developers use Edge

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Direct fiber connection to Level 3 (Columbus, Ohio) here at work. Had to disable QUIC as I am getting the same errors as well when trying to access Google. Using local DNS, not sure what upstream DNS we are using though.

It's happening in Minneapolis on Comcast as well. Requests will hang for a while and eventually fail with "ERR_QUIC_PROTOCOL_ERROR".

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So.. Dutch ISPs - or someone else along the route - interfering with UDP traffic?

I suspect they are throttling UDP traffic on "non-web" ports, traffic might look like torrent encrypted stream :). Anyway you can test whats going on with https://github.com/lucas-clemente/quic-go

This is probably not the case, as traffic shaping is illegal in The Netherlands.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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The title is misleading, Google has not broken anything, Dutch providers have. I hope Google will do nothing, and the providers will be pressured into fixing their shitty hardware.

I work a Belgian hosting provider, directly uplinked to our datacenter via Cogent/TINET. The same happened here. There's no hardware cause, it appears to be a minor chrome update combined with a QUIC server-side update (unconfirmed) that caused issues. As soon as Chrome auto-updates to the next minor release, things appear better (but not fully fixed). It's entirely in the browser Google server-side, ISPs have nothin…

Alright, thanks, and sorry for implicating you. I guess it's the history of ISP's messing with transport layer protocols that got me finger pointing.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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The title is misleading, Google has not broken anything, Dutch providers have. I hope Google will do nothing, and the providers will be pressured into fixing their shitty hardware.

Can you provide a source? If this is the case that's quite a serious fault, but it seems unlikely that multiple independent providers would simultaneously do this.

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Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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I'm going to hijack this thread to describe something weird that's happened to me yesterday w/ Google: just connected on my usual BT (UK) wifi, and when I opened google.com, Safari complained about an invalid SSL certificate: it was self-signed, with expiration in 2111. After a dozen refreshes, everything started to work, with the correct certificate. Anybody seen anything like that? Is it possible that a corrupted p…

You should post the certificate details here. Issuer, fingerprint, etc.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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post #48

I'm going to hijack this thread to describe something weird that's happened to me yesterday w/ Google: just connected on my usual BT (UK) wifi, and when I opened google.com, Safari complained about an invalid SSL certificate: it was self-signed, with expiration in 2111. After a dozen refreshes, everything started to work, with the correct certificate. Anybody seen anything like that? Is it possible that a corrupted p…

You should post the certificate details here. Issuer, fingerprint, etc.

I was so weirded out I totally forgot. How dumb of me. I'll just ascribe it to a glitch in the matrix.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect they are throttling UDP traffic on "non-web" ports, traffic might look like torrent encrypted stream :). Anyway you can test whats going on with https://github.com/lucas-clemente/quic-go

This is probably not the case, as traffic shaping is illegal in The Netherlands.

I had issues with VPN and some dutch ISPs, so Im not sure about that.
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