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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by morrbo »

CommanderData wrote: post #35

Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…

I'm sure you've already seen it, but using https://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/ helps alleviate some of these issues. I completely agree with you though, the whole thing feels dirty.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by SilkRoadie »

faragon wrote: post #30

That is insane. One thing is having poor performance because of the lack of specific processor support, and another not being able to use it at all. Is there a bug in those new processors with backwards compatibility, or is it an evil move from MS?

What is insane? Windows 7 is 8 years old. Windows 8 is 5 years old. Microsoft is still providing security fixes for what are essentially now legacy platforms.

There has to be a cost in supporting these new processors. Windows runs on almost anything and the cost of testing updates across various platforms has got to be huge.

I also think it is a great way to reduce fragmentation. Windows 7 is supported till 2020. However you do not want to just cut people off. If you can reduce / stop new instalations before then it will greatly reduce the number of unsupported machines when Microsoft cut the cord.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by kbart »

sddfd wrote: post #17

I know it's not a popular opinion, but they do the right thing. Fragmentation of windows versions is a huge problem, and this approach is the lesser evil. I liked Windows 7 best (who doesn't?), but I'm using Windows 10 exclusively now because rolling release is the only viable model.

Rolling release is sure the right way to go as you can't support all versions ever released forever, but the problem is, that MS doesn't provide viable alternative anymore after Windows 7. I paid for Windows 7 as the OS I own, so why should I accept some adware/spyware ridden bullshit known as Windows 10 instead?

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by 0x0 »

CJefferson wrote: post #36
cm2187 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only because Microsoft wrote a line of code that says if CPU is this model than do not run. There is a big irony in Microsoft writing that sort of code given the efforts they have to go through to make applications with similar code (if OS version > 7 then do not run) run anyway by lying to the application about the windows version.

No, it's because of missing drivers for the chipset. Try running an old Linux or bsd kernel on these new chips -- it won't work either.

But apparently the CPU and chipset work well enough to run enough of the operating system that windows update can display a GUI error message with error code "Code 80240037", which is what the OP link to.

Who would design a chipset that is backwards compatible enough to boot windows and all its services in GUI mode, but not backwards compatible enough to run windows update?

If you run an old Linux or bsd kernel on these chips, do you get to login to X only to find a kernel error when you run apt-get update?

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by josteink »

mdekkers wrote: post #16
jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??

Pretty much just people using the term "brick" to mean anything from a crashing process, to something fixed by a re-install.

Example: "I just loaded a buggy web-page and bricked my Chrome. LOL!"

You know. How the term "hacking" has come to mean just about anything these days. There are no PC-bricks, despite people trying to claim the contrary.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by seanp2k2 »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #27
cm2187 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But intel develops the chipset drivers, not microsoft.

and still they contain bugs sometimes, which need software workarounds. If interested in the topic you can surely find several examples in the Linux source codes as well.

The chipset can also contain bugs which software can't work around. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Cougar_Point_chip... as the most recent example I can think of.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by seanp2k2 »

joelthelion wrote: post #32
sddfd wrote: post #17

I know it's not a popular opinion, but they do the right thing. Fragmentation of windows versions is a huge problem, and this approach is the lesser evil. I liked Windows 7 best (who doesn't?), but I'm using Windows 10 exclusively now because rolling release is the only viable model.

You know another way they could increase Windows 10 adoption? By making it better, not worse, than past offerings. Adware baked into my OS? No thanks.

But it has DX12 which is what your games crave. Also, Linux subsystem is neat and you can get powershell (great for disabling all the spyware they include which doesn't have any GUI controls).

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by josteink »

jimmies wrote: post #4

The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…

> automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices

Downvote for falsely claiming PCs can be bricked[1], even more so by simply using Window-update, which at worst might require a reinstall if the install is botched.

[1] The definition of a brick is that something is now completely non-functional, beyond repair and thus "as useful as a brick". Something which can be recovered is by definition never a brick.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by gambiting »

rincebrain wrote: post #39

This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…

I'm in the same boat - downgraded to 7 from 10 twice now, because 10 continues to be one of the most buggy MS systems I have used so far, with overall lack of polish in pretty much every corner, with UI taking top prize for how illogical it is(Metro design everywhere, yay!) - if you can't tell how something works by looking at it for 5 seconds, it's bad design. 7 is still the most stable, bug-free and clearly designed OS at the moment, with MacOS close second(although it's slipping away steadily with every iteration).

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by josteink »

CommanderData wrote: post #35

Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…

> Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful.

Allow me to rephrase that: "Yesterday I received quite modern hardware and wanted to run Ubuntu 9.04. The process was painful."

Would you sympathize with anyone who made such a claim? I certainly wouldn't. Does anyone even remember its "cute" codename? Nope. It's that old.

And Windows 7 is as old as Ubuntu 9.04. It's about as obsolete as it gets. It's time to let it go, man.

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