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Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

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Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

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And if you don't want acceptable ads, use uBlock Origin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa... https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

Now recently made available for Safari! https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari

..and despite the Readme implying it may not be stable yet and it being prerelease I've found it flawless for the 2 or 3 weeks I've been happily running it!

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#42

We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…

> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free.

I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use?

> It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience.

The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit they don't need.

> As much as I don't care for the ABP approach, it's something that can be used to actually make progress and that's what this is, progress.

This is a step backwards, not progress.

> It's finally some outside pressure on the industry to change from the segment of the advertising mechanism that matters most - the people themselves.

Bullshit. This is a way of lifting the pressure on the industry, and this initiative is mostly supported by players in the industry. Not the people.

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#43
I'm opposed to all advertising and marketing on ethical grounds. In my book human attention isn't for sale, and all attempts to sell my attention will be dealt with by technical means with extreme prejudice. It's true that content producers need to get paid; it's not true that human attention is an acceptable currency for which this payment must be exchanged.

Find some other way. Show some fucking adaptability.

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not through ads displayed in my browser. There are other ways to get paid, though.

So content displayed through browser should be behind a paywall then? What if the solution is ads blocked for a fee?

> What if the solution is ads blocked for a fee?

The day I have to pay to not have manipulative bullshit spammed at me is the day I say goodbye to the internet. Fuck right off.

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now recently made available for Safari! https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari

..and despite the Readme implying it may not be stable yet and it being prerelease I've found it flawless for the 2 or 3 weeks I've been happily running it!

And me for the past year or so!

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#46

We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…

There's something Ive been curious about, and as one of the companies on that committee I wonder what your thoughts are on this.

I honestly expected advertising industry folks to recognize the adblock problem and to take meaningful action long before the prevalence of adblocking tech got to this stage of such common household use. Instead, it feels like they've doubled down on the obnoxious ads.

I figured they'd realize that abusive ads will encourage ad-avoidance behaviors, but they seem totally oblivious to the root cause of the problem.

There's that soundbite about a man's salary depending on his not understanding the problem, but that feels like a gross oversimplification of this issue.

Can anyone with the ad companies offer any insight into the thought processes at play wrt adblock?

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#47
post #8

And if you don't want acceptable ads, use uBlock Origin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa... https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

Now recently made available for Safari! https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari

Thanks for sharing! Long awaited.

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#48
post #43

I'm opposed to all advertising and marketing on ethical grounds. In my book human attention isn't for sale, and all attempts to sell my attention will be dealt with by technical means with extreme prejudice. It's true that content producers need to get paid; it's not true that human attention is an acceptable currency for which this payment must be exchanged. Find some other way. Show some fucking adaptability.

The current concept of advertising has been around for more than 200 years now... I think the "all ads have to go away forever" approach is doomed to fail.

Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee

#49

We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…

As others here have pointed out, the definition of an acceptable ad here says nothing about tracking[1]. This is what I mostly care about, and I don't see ABP (or now the AAC) wanting to change anything. So I'll stick with uBlock(Origin) thank you.

I do have a question thought - as a someone in the ad industry, do you ever think to yourself: "We've built the largest surveillance system the world has ever known... for the purpose of selling vacuum cleaners and toilet paper."

[1] https://acceptableads.com/en/about/criteria

Edit: For the record, I whitelist ad networks like The Deck in all my ad blockers, because their privacy policy meets my definition of acceptable tracking (http://decknetwork.net/privacy/).

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