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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by cr1895 »

tomp wrote: post #13
lawless123 wrote: post #6

Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..

I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.

>the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests

A Turkish minister's plane was denied landing rights because he intended to address a rally; the rally itself was not banned. Following that, a Turkish education minister was escorted out of the country after trying to address a rally that was surreptitiously arranged by the Turkish consulate. That rally was disbanded after it became unsafe.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by mda »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #16
tomp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.

The stance taken wasn't against Turks or Muslims though. It was against an authoritarian ruler campaigning in another country to grab even more power for himself.

Oh, how benevolent and gracious of them. Please.

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Post by the_why_of_y »

teekert wrote: post #26
raverbashing wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan

I agree, but the PM (Rutte) and his party are definitely benefiting. He had many opportunities before to go harder on Erdogan i.e. when Erdogan bought oil from IS but "we" needed him to keep refugees out of Europe. The stance is certainly not against Muslims although people might feel it that way. It is against the fact the pro-Erdogan Turks and anti-Erdogan Turks and Curds etc cause unrest in the Netherlands. Most p…

Putting oil on the fire is a core part of Erdoğan's strategy. He's afraid that not enough Turks will vote in a couple weeks for the constitutional reform that will establish himself as dictator for life, so he has been trying to stoke nationalist resentment against EU countries for the last months, so that when they respond to his provocations he can represent himself as defender of the Turkish nation from outside attacks.

Erdoğan never missed an opportunity to escalate the situation.

The German government remained mostly calm despite numerous incidents such as preventing government officials from visiting German soldiers stationed in Turkey, the frivolous lawsuit where German citizen and journalist Deniz Yücel is accused of "terrorism", threats of sanctions for preventing public speeches of Turkish government officials (foreign officials have no free-speech rights in Germany, their speeches happen entirely at the pleasure of the German government), and regular Nazi name-calling of German politicians.

The Netherlands however have elections this week where a far-right populist could get many votes, so the current ruling party there (VVD) wants to position itself strongly against Erdoğan's aggressive antics in order to retain conservative voters. This is understandable, but of course it has the disadvantage that it plays right into Erdoğan's strategy.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by Doxin »

nirav72 wrote: post #36

Who ever that was, just handed Geet Wilder's the election. Well played.

Geert isn't going to 'win' the election. Unless he manages to fill the government entirely with only his party, which is exceedingly unlikely, there's no one who will want to co-govern with the man.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by cr1895 »

nirav72 wrote: post #36

Who ever that was, just handed Geet Wilder's the election. Well played.

>Who ever that was, just handed Geet Wilder's the election. Well played

I'm not sure you understand the mechanics of the election in the NL. The parties campain for seats in the Tweede Kamer, and no party will win a clear majority of seats. Therefore a coalition government will have to be formed among the leading parties. The other leading parties have refused to work with Wilders due to his anti-Muslim statements, and recent polls have shown fewer expected seats for the PVV. In no way has the election been handed to PVV.

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Post by sinans »

threeseed wrote: post #34
tomp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.

The PM never banned protests AFAIK. This was the decision of local and state governments and was done because in the past similar protests became impossible to control. It's fair enough to allow protests about Dutch policies but a whole different story when it is purely about an internal Turkish issue. You can't blame the Dutch for not rolling out the red carpet especially so close to an election.

It is a disaster in terms of democratic values to block a Minister 30 meters away from the Consulate and send her back. And no, nobody believes in the security argument. This move helped the right wing in both countries for the coming elections.

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Post by [deleted] »

return0 wrote: post #35
oxide wrote: post #21

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As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

That the abuse of the supposed "mandate" of both elected governments began delegitimizing them in the eyes of the electorate

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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by imron »

afarrell wrote: post #18
lawless123 wrote: post #15

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Ok to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...

> Putin's new pal Erdogan Wait what?

Didn't you see the news?

Everything that works out for the right and against the left is a Russian plot orchestrated by Putin.

The eighties called and decided to lend their foreign policy to the democrats this time.

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