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How to never complete anything

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Re: How to never complete anything

#41
What's the scope of your side project(s)? Do you have a business plan? Who are your target users? Is your code quality all over the map, why and in which modules?

In the quiet times, I ask myself these questions and get sheepish, embarrassed answers. When you can give reasoned, confident answers on hard, painful questions about your future business rather than current tech demo, then your project has a shot at life.

I have an amazeballs tech demo for my side project. It is scoped way too huge. Heroics and not knowing what I was signing up for got it to where it is today.

Honestly, if I were to do it again, my first features would have been user management and payment processing. I wish I could take users and have them pay me as soon as they saw value in my growing hobby project. But I can't because I didn't prioritize getting users and using their subscriptions to fund my work. I have a ton of neat features and no users, argh!!

Re: How to never complete anything

#42
post #32

It sounds like an alcoholic after a major hangover saying "never again".

More seriously, it reminds me the time when I was working on a major side project (I was unemployed, so it should maybe called a "main project") and at some point, I started to work on a very nicely crafted library that was necessary for the main project: I lost all interest in the main project and abandoned it for bad reasons.

Re: How to never complete anything

#43
post #24

YOU NEVER ACTUALLY TOLD HOW

"No more big re-writes because there's some hot new JS library. No more microservices for the sakes of it, no more overly ambitious build pipe-lines. NO MORE TRYING TO REWRITE THINGS IN HASKELL. JUST. GET. SHIT. DONE."

Re: How to never complete anything

#44
post #14

Offtopic: I got quite a NSFW Ad when I clicked through to this. Well depending on the workplace. But yeah not something I'd love a colleague to see over my shoulder.

Here are links to some images: http://i.imgur.com/yz6eVNk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KqaFVFc.gif http://i.imgur.com/WczRkHy.mp4 http://i.imgur.com/EyEJStB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RnvkYXJ.png http://i.imgur.com/6IqwNtn.jpg

Zero or more feature nudity, ditto sports, one's a flowchart, but they have one thing in common: Nude or not, none of them have anything to do with your work. So what makes any of them NSFW? (The subject of this discussion is "getting things done".)

Re: How to never complete anything

#45

I can't imagine ever shipping a side project. That's not why I build them. If I ever got to the point in my life where I do want my own company, a side project is not the way I want to go about it. Companies take a lot of work, that work has to be understood, then delegated and shared. The technology aspect is really only 10% of it. Sure, it's the essential 0-to-1 kicker that gets you going, but once that's done you…

This is a rationalization and you know it. There are tons of other people who also think side project is a way to learn something new, yet they ship. Also there are tons of startups that started out as side projects. Facebook did. You have no excuse. Stop lying to yourself because it's not doing yourself any good. The only reason you're not releasing your side projects to the world is because you are afraid of critic…

Oh believe me, I did try. Moved in with a business cofounder and started working on an idea. We squabbled over a lot of things before I realized that it was a marriage and not a transaction, and what I wanted was more transactional. So I bailed and got a job.

I still talk with the guy and fill out estimates for his potential clients whenever he wants. We'll eventually hack out a working professional relationship and start a company together.

The fact of the matter is that personal life matters more to me than professional life. I think a lot of people wind up using professional accolades to make up for things they can't get in their personal life. Maybe that's not you, but for me, working on my relationships and my emotional health is 100x more important than a big pile of money and influence ever will.

Maybe your answer to this is to "just work harder." To that I just have to say, 'absolutely not'.

Re: How to never complete anything

#46
I built a search engine for lectures (https://www.findlectures.com), partly so I have something I can show people (e.g. my family otherwise has no idea what I do).

Trying to build something in your free time forces you to think about dividing work up into very small pieces (what can I do with a free hour, etc). I've found this very beneficial in a work environment.

If you get to the point where you can show people, showing people changes how you think about the project - some invisible social pressure to do better, similar to code reviews.

You also have to think through the structure of the entire project on your own - often in a work environment, you're joining something in progress.

This is also a great way to research new tools. Instead of thinking how cool they are, you evaluate how they fit into a "real" project, but without the pressure to actually make it work.

Re: How to never complete anything

#47
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And you really need rapid growth in order for working on a startup of your own creation to beat out having a reasonably-decent job I disagree. You only need to get the income you want with the work you are willing to invest. Depending on what you do and what you need, that can mean that scaling up is not required at all. Bootstrapping a business out of a side project is a thing.

> Bootstrapping a business out of a side project is a thing. Sure, but it's not reliable . And that lack of reliability makes it inferior to a good job. If you're really a glutton for punishment and don't mind letting the market be your teacher, then you can make it work eventually. If you're wired that way, for sure do what you need to do so you can stay sane. That's a big ole' pile of nope for me.

> And that lack of reliability makes it inferior to a good job.

Good jobs are hard to come by and can be unreliable also.

Re: How to never complete anything

#48
post #13

You are one of the 2/3rd kids who were part of the marshmallow experiment. You cant control your desire for immediate gratification. I feel that with the level that you are in, you need a bigger problem to solve, rather than start a new startup(whatever that is). I know your type, I was like you, most of my friends are like you. Also did I mention that you are an introvert by nature (read susain cain). You are easily…

the marshmallow test actually isn't quite as straightforward as predicting willpower or delayed gratification, as the original researcher points out in this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/what-the-...

Re: How to never complete anything

#49
I finished my side project a couple of years ago, released it, and then found I was able to quit my Python webdev job and go full time making video games.

The key difference is that my project was a video game (this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXl8lDrxn8) and that takes a lot of temptation to do what the OP is writing about, rewriting stuff in Haskell for example. The interesting bit when it comes to side projects (and now my full time projects) for me isn't actually the tools or the methodology or anything like that, but the end result. I spent my teenage years building games that I never finished, and it made me quite miserable, because I so just wanted to finish something. Anything.

I remember the first game I ever finished was a clone of Snake. There was nothing remotely interesting in the implementation or in the design, but I was so flipping pleased with myself, I had finished something! And that let me slowly build my projects up to more interesting endeavours, and eventually to one that could be sold. Starting small was the key for me, as I learned two things: 1 - what was 'too much' for me to try and tackle at the time and 2 - self-discipline, not chucking the project the moment I got bored, or had a 'better idea'.

Re: How to never complete anything

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a rationalization and you know it. There are tons of other people who also think side project is a way to learn something new, yet they ship. Also there are tons of startups that started out as side projects. Facebook did. You have no excuse. Stop lying to yourself because it's not doing yourself any good. The only reason you're not releasing your side projects to the world is because you are afraid of critic…

Oh believe me, I did try. Moved in with a business cofounder and started working on an idea. We squabbled over a lot of things before I realized that it was a marriage and not a transaction, and what I wanted was more transactional. So I bailed and got a job. I still talk with the guy and fill out estimates for his potential clients whenever he wants. We'll eventually hack out a working professional relationship and…

It doesn't sound like you were working on a side project there, and even then, you have one bad experience and throw your hands up?

You can have a rewarding personal life and still learn while building something on the side, and show it to the world. But, I think you have to be prepared to appreciate the process without expectation of payoff. Just my observation, your comments read like there is a preoccupation with the latter.

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