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Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by signal11 »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #18
badminton1 wrote: post #16

I've used Visual Studio for many years. Visual Studio 5.0 was very responsive. Visual Studio 2015 is not as responsive. Nowadays it seemes a bit bloated, even after disabling unused plugins and features. Switched to CLion and Rider, which are not known for their speed, but feel more responsible than VS to me. That and a more affordable price and cross-platform support.

I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://cod…

My experience of installing VS Community Edition several years ago was that it downloaded a lot of dependencies when I requested a fairly basic C# and C++ environment: versions of SQLXML, Windows SDK, etc, which had to be managed and upgraded separately.

Is it much more self-contained now? perhaps via nuget?

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by captainmuon »

evo_9 wrote: post #12
LyalinDotCom wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not GA yet (only Visual Studio 2017 for Windows is GA today) but we have shipped an update so Visual Studio for Mac Preview 4 is now available. Details: https://blog.xamarin.com/better-apps-visual-studio-2017/

So this is full, 100% Visual Studio for Mac (soonish), or is it Xamarin Studio rebranded?

They'd need to port at least COM, .NET, and XAML/WPF to Mac to do that, so I'd say that is never going to happen. Also, you'd have a very un-mac like experience.

OTOH, Microsoft is the one company I'd trust with refactoring a gordian knot if neccessary. Look what they're doing to the console subsystem, the windows system DLLs, the ~25 year old C compiler, and so on (granted, some are different teams, but still...).

Maybe they'll be able to salvage some cool parts (the extention API, Intellisense, ...) and make them modular or put them into VS code or Xamarin Studio. I don't know, they probably don't have a complete plan themselves :-).

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by mastax »

signal11 wrote: post #41
LyalinDotCom wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://cod…

My experience of installing VS Community Edition several years ago was that it downloaded a lot of dependencies when I requested a fairly basic C# and C++ environment: versions of SQLXML, Windows SDK, etc, which had to be managed and upgraded separately. Is it much more self-contained now? perhaps via nuget?

New Installation Experience - A reduced minimum footprint for faster and more customizable installations, as well as support for offline installs.

Visual Studio IDE - A broad range of enhancements in Visual Studio 2017, including reduction in startup and solution load times, sign in and identity improvements, improved code navigation, open folder view, and connected services enable connections between your app and any service on-premises or in the cloud.

https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by LyalinDotCom »

romanovcode wrote: post #43

I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

We're a worldwide company that embraces diversity and benefits hugely for it, so honestly I am disappointed very much with your comment.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by stinos »

zamalek wrote: post #10
TillE wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that feature exist in other Visual Studio project types? There's always CMake to help in situations like that.

It does and can most likely be enabled by editing the vcxproj directly. Edit: something along the lines of: Edit: see response.

That should probably be
at least if you want to get the sources compiled

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by johnduhart »

romanovcode wrote: post #43

I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

I'm also super excited about VS2017.

But excuse me this HN comment (last line, with the insensitive remark) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by pornel »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #32

Also folks should check out or comprehensive release notes: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...

Sadly no mention of any improvements to their C compiler :( The C99 support is still incomplete and it looks like MS has given up on C.
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