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The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Yeah... Not going to happen. Americans spend billions on European vacations, and nobody is going to threaten that when push comes to shove (any additional hassle is going to send people to Cancun instead). This is just posturing.

Like Europeans spend billions on American trips with the strictest VISA system, handing over even social media accounts and going through other non-standard border procedures. I don't think VISA requirements are a major force in tourism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

Citizens of western countries got lazy and let plutocrats take over. The result has been a re-distribution of wealth and power. More people are starting to find that uncomfortable: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/05/ec...

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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That being said ESTA is a visa with a fake nose.

As its own name say, it's an authorisation relating to a Visa Waiver Program

And Europe will most likely introduce something like ESTA (unlike the visa thing which won't have support from the Commission)

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

One big factor is that those with personal experience of fascism are dying off.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

> AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this. Populism and a perception that a more globally-connected world is concentrating the benefits of growth into the assets and control of a handful of individuals instead of "a rising tide lifting all boats." Also, the message that some politicians have been using ("trade agreements are evil!" "immigration is bad!" "the EU is making us abuse you!") has take…

Capital tends to amalgamate. Thus, I find your perceptions to be on the right track.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.

Yeah, I was gonna say early Climate Change effects and Automation/AI's wealth concentration. Just wait until the Genetic Engineering really starts rolling now that we have CRISPR-CAS9.

Resistance to smallpox for those that can afford it or are useful?

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is true that populist parties are on the rise. However, both in France and in Germany, favorites for this year election are on the center-left (Emmanuel Macron and Martin Schultz, respectively) and very firmly in favor of more EU integration. The rise of nationalist parties doesn't necessarily mean that people are becoming more nationalist overall.

they're simply EU nationalists instead

Have you looked at their programs? They're not proposing any crackdown on immigration.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

As others have stated here, this is largely a reaction to globalization and immigration issues that have been present in the world's view. Globalization has left a large portion of each country behind. Large multinational firms have moved a lot of their low-skill labor to cheaper markets and developing countries, leaving a large swath of former employees in their wake with very little perceived hope of finding another job at the same level. Whether you agree with the feeling of hopelessness or not, you have to admit that there is a large population that feels that way. You can't tell them that their feelings or views are not valid and that this is good for the world; their world just got ruined for the profit of others.

Pair this with a large influx of immigrants from other countries, and it scares people even more. The constant threat of terrorism has caused people to live in fear, and governments to react accordingly.

All in all, those are some major parts of the puzzle.

In another comment section (Reddit, I believe) there was anecdotal evidence that visitors from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania regularly outstayed their visas and were notorious for violating a tourist visa, hence the additional checks the US wanted to put them through.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.

What made you doubt my seriousness? Of course I am serious. I am not aware of how bad refugee crisis. Sure, people are complaining but we are not talking about millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether. Globalization has been going on for decades now and things do seem to have improved for many. Why now?

> ...but we are not talking about millions of refugees that change the social fabric altogether.

That is exactly what people are talking about. [1-5]

> Globalization has been going on for decades now and things do seem to have improved for many. Why now?

Things have improved for some, generally in different countries than the places where things have gotten much worse. See the decline of middle America. Add an elite class who's comfortable with and encourages income inequality [6], and you get lots of anger and backlash. Especially if you only call the people with complaints about globalization ignorant and racist for caring about their own self interest.

1. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-ra...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

3. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assa...

4. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/eight-iraqi-migrants...

5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Zk3TUNRBs

6. http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html

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