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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by lawless123 »

titraprutr wrote: post #37
Arnt wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. They happened, can't tell how often, but he didn't want or intend that. I didn't have the impression that Dubya wanted to harass random foreigners either. Trump, OTOH, is the kind of person who wants to throw out all the Yemeni in case one of them is another Timothy McVeigh.

> he didn't want or intend that You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

True ,but we sure as hell know Trump publicly endorses it. Obama wasn't a lightning rod for this. Trump has made himself one.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

lawless123 wrote: post #38
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

>Carrying no devices Is this article seriously suggesting i can't travel without a device or can't wipe before i go, because these CBP guys are so easily triggered?

yes, both could be triggers

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by laurentl »

nom wrote: post #23
pwdis_password wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be fair, the language used is rather simplistic. The vocabulary itself is of a higher level, but the grammar is really basic from the start to the end. Most of the article is also pure description and not a thesis or something. I guess all that helps a lot the automated translation tool.

Good to know, it makes a lot of sense. What do you think, was it written by a non-native speaker or is it comparable to something you find in a french newspaper?

The original article, in French, is very well-written; the grammar didn't strike me as "basic", but rather the writing of someone used to getting messages across clearly. Largely on par with most articles in French newspapers. That said, the automatic translation holds up pretty well, except for some gender issues and mistranslation of colloquialisms.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by ArtDev »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
staticelf wrote: post #27

I am about to visit the US soon. I am planning not to bring my personal phone and computer. It feels like I am going to visit China, not the US. I would probably not personally pay for a trip to the US now.. I don't want to pay a lot of money in order to be rejected at the border.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

So I should do nothing about it? I don't think so.

FYI that article has a number of errors. Most notably that anyone can any person can detect lying better than someone else. It is simply not true. I do believe that they are trained to give oddly-phased questions, which is a technique.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by staticelf »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
staticelf wrote: post #27

I am about to visit the US soon. I am planning not to bring my personal phone and computer. It feels like I am going to visit China, not the US. I would probably not personally pay for a trip to the US now.. I don't want to pay a lot of money in order to be rejected at the border.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

I will be carrying devices, but not personal ones. So without any personal data. If that is enough to send me back, sure then I'll go back. I won't lie. I will simply say that I don't want my devices searched if asked about it. Honestly, I don't think I would give up my password even for devices that are not my personal ones.

Is that really a bad plan?

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by d--b »

masklinn wrote: post #28
d--b wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beware the translation in some places. Google translates: "Une policière engueule une femme dont le garçon de trois ans court dans tous les sens" into "A police officer beats a woman whose three-year-old runs in all directions". The actual translation is: "A female police officer shouts at a woman whose 3-year-old is running all over the place"

> The actual translation is: "A female police officer shouts at a woman whose 3-year-old is running all over the place" "Berates" feels much closer than "shouts at", "engueuler" is not just general shouting there's a strong component of scolding to it. Also "policewoman" if you want to carry gender across the translation, but I'd say "police officer" is just fine, french requires gendering, english does not.

I am not that good in English so for me shouts at was good enough ;)

Gender is important when we talk about "beating" people though.

I was reading it in English when I read that line and thought that didn't seem right. I mean, that would have been the title of the article.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by [deleted] »

ArtDev wrote: post #44
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

So I should do nothing about it? I don't think so. FYI that article has a number of errors. Most notably that anyone can any person can detect lying better than someone else. It is simply not true. I do believe that they are trained to give oddly-phased questions, which is a technique.

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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by dagenleg »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
staticelf wrote: post #27

I am about to visit the US soon. I am planning not to bring my personal phone and computer. It feels like I am going to visit China, not the US. I would probably not personally pay for a trip to the US now.. I don't want to pay a lot of money in order to be rejected at the border.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

That guy again. It's like NSA got a blog.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by angry_octet »

laurentl wrote: post #43
nom wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know, it makes a lot of sense. What do you think, was it written by a non-native speaker or is it comparable to something you find in a french newspaper?

The original article, in French, is very well-written; the grammar didn't strike me as "basic", but rather the writing of someone used to getting messages across clearly. Largely on par with most articles in French newspapers. That said, the automatic translation holds up pretty well, except for some gender issues and mistranslation of colloquialisms.

The author is an experienced academic historian and hence the language is precise, perfectly formed and persuasive. Google Translate does indeed do quite well. Where GT fails is in colloquial context sensitive language, like IRC or facebook, where it is terrible.
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