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No. People in the current bubble forget that California is usually broke/in legislative crises, which might be about to happen again. Texas is probably the only state capable of thriving if it secedes, CA doesn't even have it's own electric grid. * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9312_California_b... * http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400...
There is a plethora of issues that have to be addressed, to name a few: * The U.S. Government would have to be ok w/losing a ~1/6th of it's economy. * California has no military; funding such would be expensive. * All existing multilateral agreements the U.S has entered into would NOT apply to an independent California. An independent California would have less bargaining power in renegotiating said agreements.
The very idea is insane. I think we need to do a better job of fighting the divisive forces attempting to destroy this country, led by a domestic terrorist like George Soros. The site itself seems to be run by children[1]. This is where HN news is coming from now? http://waitbutwhy.com/wait-but-who
Me, I'm waiting around for a shadowy billionaire to fund my histrionic internet posting. $30/per trolling comment seems fair.
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You act as though power exports from Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Nevada and Utah would somehow cease overnight if California were to become its own country. This is of course false.
It wouldn't continue uninterrupted forever. Those power exports are paid for in currency denominated by the US dollar. California is no longer part of the US, remember? Each of those states would have to negotiate with the new Republic to receive something in equal worth to the power they were delivering. And if they don't get it, they're not going to give away power for free. Their governments won't let them, their…
He who controls the nukes, controls California's destiny.
And for non-American readers, those are located in the big, flat central states that California would be seceeding from.
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What are they going to do? Occupy the entire coast with federal armed forces? Sure, they could do that, but it's hard to take any sort of moral high ground or project strength on the world stage when you are forced to militarily occupy your own country against its will. That said, I doubt any states are realistically going to secede, but at least Texas won't be the only ones constantly going on about it now.
I don't know. Americans were fine claiming the "high ground" the last time a bunch of states and territories tried to secede and forced back into the union with military force. The thing people forget when talking about secession is that unless the constitution was explicitly written to make affordances for future secessions, every attempt at secession is illegal and can be considered an act of civil war. Aside from…
Slavery.
It's hard for me to see a scenario where a Calexit doesn't mark the end of American hegemony and quite likely the United States itself. A successful Calexit would without doubt lead to a New York exit. Now there's no way Texas is sticking around. And the Carolinas and Florida want to make a go of it too, etc. Once the pillars have fallen, the house collapses. Isn't that basically how all great empires slowly crumble?…
There is a plethora of issues that have to be addressed, to name a few: * The U.S. Government would have to be ok w/losing a ~1/6th of it's economy. * California has no military; funding such would be expensive. * All existing multilateral agreements the U.S has entered into would NOT apply to an independent California. An independent California would have less bargaining power in renegotiating said agreements.
I don't disagree but the California National Guard is under state control normally, when it isn't federalized by special order. Some 23,000 individuals. They'd have to act quickly to seize control before the federal government but it could be done.
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On what planet do you expect that the US at large is going to accept 1/7th of their economy seceding without a fight?
Not just the economy. You'd also need high level US military leaders to go insubordinate, voluntarily ignore their chain of command, and "donate" the assets of the US armed services to the Republic of California. Texas is the only state that could probably put up a fight, but it'd be very ugly and very bloody. Secession almost always equals war. I think the folks advocating for secession trivialize the fact that the…
It's hard for me to see a scenario where a Calexit doesn't mark the end of American hegemony and quite likely the United States itself. A successful Calexit would without doubt lead to a New York exit. Now there's no way Texas is sticking around. And the Carolinas and Florida want to make a go of it too, etc. Once the pillars have fallen, the house collapses. Isn't that basically how all great empires slowly crumble?…
Would it really be so bad? Cultures/beliefs/values vary tremendously from region to region, and smaller country subsets would be able to iterate faster to support their own value/belief systems.. Texas and related states that join it's new union could be as red as they want, California and those who join w/ can be as blue, and have things like Single-payer healthcare, no public prisons, no anti-immigration laws and o…