Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before the election, some of the people I talked to said that if Trump won, they'd exit the country. When asked where they'd go, it was always Canada or Sweden. Maybe this has something to do with it?
Did any of them actually leave?
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Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#42I don't get why the Right is so keen to vilify Sweden. I've lived abroad and travelled and feel I have a fair handle on all the countries I've visited and I'm living abroad now.. In Sweden! Nordic countries are by far the best functioning countries I've ever visited and should serve as positive examples.
Because Scandinavia has countries that are aggressively left-wing and really successful at it. These are the places that prove that liberal ideals work. And they've accepted a tremendous number of refugees. So ideologue right wingers are desperate to see them fail, as proof that Muslims are intrinsically hateful and that Scandinavians are chumps for falling for leftist ideals.
In the late 1940s and early 1950s, Soviet-affiliated communist parties were triumphant in large parts of Europe. In countries like Hungary and Czhechoslovakia, they came to power through elections and rapidly seized absolute government control. Many communists in Western European countries were expecting France, West Germany and others to soon follow suit. After all, the "scientific" theory of Marxism-Leninism explained this would happen, and enough cherry-picked facts were available to support the inevitability of the capitalist governments' collapse.
Today's right-wingers look a lot like those 1948 communists. Plenty of things are going their way, but that is not good enough in itself -- the Bannon-style ideological framework makes fatalist predictions that must be validated, by adapting facts if necessary.
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#43Let's look at raw statistics for a second. The data comes from the Swedish crime agency bra.se: https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist... 1) Total numbers of offenses. Rape statistics chart is displayed below: https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/013dc374/1/#fullscreen 2) Population pro-rated: https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/013dc374/3/#fullscreen What happened in 2002-2004? As was discussed in m…
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#44Because this article to me, as a swede, seems to contain very little substance, and given that DN for no apparent reasons lists this guys whole criminal records makes you wonder what the purpose really is here. For comparison I'm not aware of ever having seen this detailed of a listing of someone's criminal record. There is no mention of any inaccuracies in what this person has said, only that the title chosen by Fox News is incorrect.
It's also somewhat ironic that they quote Nils Bildt as complaining of the way media behave, when this whole article, and publication of his criminal record in particular, in many ways seems like a way to "punish" him for criticizing the politically correct image championed by the media over here.
Finally, it might be worth pointing out that the surname Bildt is in Sweden strongly associated with the politician Carl Bildt, former prime minister of Sweden and former minister for foreign affairs.
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#45Ironically coming from DN, who under current editor Wolodarski has lost a huge amount of credibility among Swedish intellectuals. What used to be the premier journalistic publication of Sweden now runs a highly biased agenda, and has been involved in a number of journalistic scandals (cover ups etc).
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#46It's a bit weird that a country safer than the US now gets portrayed as a sodom and gomorra of rape and violence. The striking difference between Swedes and immigrants in terms of violent crimes (four times as much, five times for rape) is declared for a large part by the fact that Swedes on average are nice and peaceful people. Fox and Trump blowing everything out of proportion shouldn't stop a healthy debate about…
Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. It happens that the poorest people in Sweden right now are immigrants. The rape stats are also way different from how they are portrayed in the media. In Sweden, if you are in an abusive relationship, every instance of abuse is counted individually, and as Assange learned, the law is very strict. As other countries tend to do far worse at reporting and prosec…
Actually, I think it's more complicated that that. I can't find the data but I remember a report that stated that Somali and Iraqi immigrants had 5 time higher conviction rate, and that more than 25% had been convicted for a crime, compared to ~5% of swedes.
I also remembered that immigrants from Sri Lanka -that have been a conflict zone for a very long time - had more or less half the conviction rate than Swedes, which is an interesting fact.
[Swedish article about statistics in Norway, with very similar demographics and culture, except way lower immigration: https://www.svd.se/brottslighet-bland-invandrare-borde-oroa-...]
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#47Murders / 100k people in Sweden: 4. Chicago has 27.
Comparing Sweden to Chicago seems a bit of a stretch. A number more directly comparable would be the US Non-Black homicide rate, which was 2.54 per 100,000 in 2015. I think that's lower than the Sweden figure in the sibling comment. [Edit: I had said that this rate was also lower than England. I was wrong on that one. ] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti...
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before the election, some of the people I talked to said that if Trump won, they'd exit the country. When asked where they'd go, it was always Canada or Sweden. Maybe this has something to do with it?
Did any of them actually leave?
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I know Fox News is not representative of all US media... No? I mean, maybe they're the most egregious, but I'll bet each and every media outlet bends things from time to time to fit a narrative. Look at the live reporting that happened during the election. There was a lot of sputtering going on when THAT didn't fit their narrative.
Evidence? This is pretty clear case of a total failure to check the credentials of an "expert". Additionally, Fox has a history of similar failures. No other major news network comes even close. http://mashable.com/2015/10/16/fbi-arrests-fox-news-analyst/...
Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security
#50Murders / 100k people in Sweden: 4. Chicago has 27.
The U.S. homicide rate is 4.5.