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Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by protomyth »

breatheoften wrote: post #37
protomyth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"unanimously passed" - the only false flag is the outside pundits and paid protestors who are going to get in trouble for working in North Dakota and not filing their taxes. The state is rather unhappy, particularly given who the likely donors are and this is causing a budget problem for the state.

I personally know people who went to the Standing Rock camp that were not paid protesters. Interestingly enough, I trust their words more than yours. For the sake of clarity -- who are the outside donors that are funding the protest and bringing the state government to its knees?

I know people on both sides. I have relatives on both sides. I was pretty neutral until the latest round of reporting and looking at what's going to happen this spring with the flooding. The long term business impact on all reservations is problematic.

Interestingly enough, I trust my relatives and friends words more than yours.

Soros is the biggest, and yes, the money spent here is a major drag on the state.

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by geofft »

protomyth wrote: post #30
breatheoften wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell -- there's some evidence of false flag operations regarding the "stand down and go home" resolution. There seems to be plenty of voices from the Standing Rock Sioux tribe leadership calling for continued peaceful protest.

"unanimously passed" - the only false flag is the outside pundits and paid protestors who are going to get in trouble for working in North Dakota and not filing their taxes. The state is rather unhappy, particularly given who the likely donors are and this is causing a budget problem for the state.

An easy way to demonstrate the truth of the "paid protesters" claim is to show any way one can sign up to be a paid protestor. I have been doing some unpaid protesting and wouldn't mind a check, to be honest.

Until then: FAKE NEWS!

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by Neliquat »

cryoshon wrote: post #27
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pipelines are much safer than trains or trucks at delivering oil or LNG. That subject is not up for debate. The problem is that when you build this infrastructure, it comes along with long-term financial contracts. Which is to say, if you build it, you're gonna use it. As a result, it discourages investments in other energy infrastructure projects. Once the pipeline is in, we are stuck with it until it ages out of us…

... we should be resisting any and all modalities of future fossil fuel exploitation. who cares if pipelines are "safer" when we know that there is no planet-safe way to burn the oil they carry. if pipelines are the most efficient way to move the resource of oil, we need to be preventing their deployment because oil will kill us if we let it. we're in the midgame of climate change... better to take radical action to…

So shoot yourself in the foot and hope to fly? No, the tech will be ready when its ready. The production tech is not ready. Free electricity will always win in a free market, so there is literally no radical fight needed, or wanted. If you actually want influence, buy teslas, build solar panel building machines, refine electric motor and storage tech. Shutting down the infrastructure that gets you there is asinine and counter productive.

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by geofft »

protomyth wrote: post #41
breatheoften wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally know people who went to the Standing Rock camp that were not paid protesters. Interestingly enough, I trust their words more than yours. For the sake of clarity -- who are the outside donors that are funding the protest and bringing the state government to its knees?

I know people on both sides. I have relatives on both sides. I was pretty neutral until the latest round of reporting and looking at what's going to happen this spring with the flooding. The long term business impact on all reservations is problematic. Interestingly enough, I trust my relatives and friends words more than yours. Soros is the biggest, and yes, the money spent here is a major drag on the state.

Are you saying you have friends and relatives being paid by Soros?

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Post by beat »

protomyth wrote: post #30
breatheoften wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell -- there's some evidence of false flag operations regarding the "stand down and go home" resolution. There seems to be plenty of voices from the Standing Rock Sioux tribe leadership calling for continued peaceful protest.

"unanimously passed" - the only false flag is the outside pundits and paid protestors who are going to get in trouble for working in North Dakota and not filing their taxes. The state is rather unhappy, particularly given who the likely donors are and this is causing a budget problem for the state.

Friends of mine have been up there on their own, or donating money and goods. Blaming "paid protesters" is self-deception. What does it benefit you to believe that people aren't doing this because they believe in it?

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by forgetsusername »

breatheoften wrote: post #37
protomyth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"unanimously passed" - the only false flag is the outside pundits and paid protestors who are going to get in trouble for working in North Dakota and not filing their taxes. The state is rather unhappy, particularly given who the likely donors are and this is causing a budget problem for the state.

I personally know people who went to the Standing Rock camp that were not paid protesters. Interestingly enough, I trust their words more than yours. For the sake of clarity -- who are the outside donors that are funding the protest and bringing the state government to its knees?

>I personally know people who went to the Standing Rock camp that were not paid protesters.

I didn't see OP claim that there weren't "real" protesters, only that some were paid.

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by LungButta »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #8
eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #3

I always wonder what's the best way to assess environmental impact of the oil pipeline. Sure, it's going to leak at some point, and create a mess that may never get cleaned up. However, is it safer (or energy efficient) than carrying the oil on trains/trucks?

Pipelines are much safer than trains or trucks at delivering oil or LNG. That subject is not up for debate. The problem is that when you build this infrastructure, it comes along with long-term financial contracts. Which is to say, if you build it, you're gonna use it. As a result, it discourages investments in other energy infrastructure projects. Once the pipeline is in, we are stuck with it until it ages out of us…

It is indeed up for debate. I would like to see sources backing that up. I can find sources saying just the opposite. I think it comes down to what you mean by safe. Safer for humans in the immediate area of an accident, safer for the environment, safer for humans as a whole. I would indeed argue that is loses in the later two.

I agree with the rest of your comments.

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by tallanvor »

protomyth wrote: post #14

At this point, the main concern is getting that camp cleaned up before the flood comes. It should be noted that the tribe has passed a resolution for protestors to go home[1] with no provisions for relocation. This isn't the only area of North Dakota that is going to flood this year and money spent on this foolishness is going to be missed. Devils Lake is going to rise about 4' under current estimates. The reporting…

That article doesn't mention anything that you mention here. Also, I certainly haven't heard any real news or information outlet making claims like you've described.

Re: Dakota Access Pipeline to win US Army permit for completion

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Post by maverick_iceman »

robertfw wrote: post #15
cloakandswagger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The debate over the pipelines seems to be largely symbolic. The oil is going to get pulled out of the oilsands and transported either way, it only seems logical (and probably more ecological) to use a giant pipe instead of trucks/trains.

What would be more ecological is to leave the stuff in the ground in the first place. This is not a symbolic fight.

Ya, it would be more ecological if we leave modern civilization and go back to our hunter gatherer days.
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