The FCC no longer handles communications. The part we thought of the FCC as being in charge of will be given to the FTC which lacks any enforcement authority and is inundated with millions of things to watch.
FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
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Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#42I fear we can't stop what's happening. I miss days when I could afford political ignorance.
Yeah, I wonder how all those people feel that didn't vote because it doesn't matter, they're both the same ?
Or how about the ones who actually think net neutrality is a terrible idea and think the Free Market (tm) should solve it, yet they refuse to put forward a workable solution for how this would happen.
If we publicize telco infrastructure and rent it out to various companies, that would solve much of the probl..."OH!! BUT then it's not free market! Each carrier should have to buy their own infrastructure otherwise it's not fair!! Blah blah" Right, even though much of the infrastructure was built with public funds. Ok, so back to net neutrality? "No! Government regulations are evil! The free market can solve this!"
How, exactly? Can someone tell me how the free market can deliver net neutrality with federal, state, and local governments in the pocket of the large telcos? I'm actually asking.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#43>AT&T and Verizon allow their own video services (DirecTV and Go90, respectively) to stream on their mobile networks without counting against customers' data caps, while charging other video providers for the same data cap exemptions. Isn't that the anti definition of net neutrality?
Yes, it certainly seems to violate the Open Internet Order. The FCC is stopping enforcing the order because the new FCC leadership intends to rescind the order and opposes the order's goals and mechanisms. Net neutrality is dead.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#44Is there any way, as a citizen and consumer, to stop Pai? Or get him fired from FCC? Will writing Congress help?
Wouldn't he just be replaced with some "abolish the FCC" know-nothing?
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#45>AT&T and Verizon allow their own video services (DirecTV and Go90, respectively) to stream on their mobile networks without counting against customers' data caps, while charging other video providers for the same data cap exemptions. Isn't that the anti definition of net neutrality?
In this narrow case, I believe there may be a claim that those bits are not “Internet” service. They are private network traffic, within their respective networks.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#46Is there any way, as a citizen and consumer, to stop Pai? Or get him fired from FCC? Will writing Congress help?
Pai's position on the issue is in line with the President and the majority of Congress; even if he were to be fired for some reason, he'd be replaced by someone similar on this issue, unless his firing was because you had a massive groundswell of public support for net neutrality that was enough to convince a sufficient number of members of Congress that support for neutrality was essential to their reelection prospects.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
This only matters - voting in the presidential elections - in the red states. If you're a liberal, progressive, futurist, etc, and you're living in states like CA or NY or OR, then statistically speaking, those states are pretty much gonna go democrat regardless. So your vote counts 'less' there. What is needed is a bunch of these people to move to swing states where the vote really matters. Places like OH, FL, etc.…
Perhaps someone needs to organize a movement of large populations of progressive future thinking utopian philosophers moving to different states to more effectively rig elections in the way of a more enlightened future. Alas, I don't think there are enough of these types to actually effectively hack elections like that.
Or here's a crazy idea, the democratic party can start actively addressing the real economic issues of the lower class directly, and ease up on social issues / identity politics.
I really think that the American left (and I say this as a pretty far left guy myself) is still caught in a hangover from the civil rights era, where we're fighting for the rights of increasingly smaller groups of people so we can still be seen as the liberal / progressive party, while ignoring economic issues that are so hard to fight for in our version of democractic government.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#48>AT&T and Verizon allow their own video services (DirecTV and Go90, respectively) to stream on their mobile networks without counting against customers' data caps, while charging other video providers for the same data cap exemptions. Isn't that the anti definition of net neutrality?
Yes, it certainly seems to violate the Open Internet Order. The FCC is stopping enforcing the order because the new FCC leadership intends to rescind the order and opposes the order's goals and mechanisms. Net neutrality is dead.
I see no violation of the net neutrality. LAN traffic is completely free. Wired traffic is cheaper than wireless. Local traffic is cheaper at AWS than WAN traffic. CDN traffic is cheaper than hoster traffic. And so on.
Price is part of the market competition.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#49>AT&T and Verizon allow their own video services (DirecTV and Go90, respectively) to stream on their mobile networks without counting against customers' data caps, while charging other video providers for the same data cap exemptions. Isn't that the anti definition of net neutrality?
> Isn't that the anti definition of net neutrality?
No because it's their own service. The definition would be for someone else's service.
Let's pretend this is comcast and they are sending cable TV over the same wire as internet data. (Which they do.) Does that violate Net Neutrality?
If not (and I think most people would say not), what's the difference?
The bare fact that you can argue if there is or isn't a difference already tells you this isn't a clear Net Neutrality case.
Re: FCC rescinds claim that AT&T and Verizon violated net neutrality
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I wonder how all those people feel that didn't vote because it doesn't matter, they're both the same ?
This only matters - voting in the presidential elections - in the red states. If you're a liberal, progressive, futurist, etc, and you're living in states like CA or NY or OR, then statistically speaking, those states are pretty much gonna go democrat regardless. So your vote counts 'less' there. What is needed is a bunch of these people to move to swing states where the vote really matters. Places like OH, FL, etc.…
It starts with the House of Representatives. If you're interested, take a look at: https://swingleft.org/
It shows you the nearest districts and what margin they were won by so you can sign up and get involved between now and the midterms of 2018.