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Mathematical genius is fragile

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Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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His last point about poverty destroying genius was what really struck me. I remember reading that 71% of the world's population lives on less than $10 a day. That doesn't seem to be enough to get a decent education and contribute meaningfully to any field. This means that the world is working at 30% capacity. Our species only gets innovations from the 30% of inventors, entrepreneurs, politicians, scientists who were…

I would mention that statistics like "$10/day" don't necessary capture the average living conditions of people.

$10/day may yield a room over your head, a dull but acceptable meal and a somewhat austere routine in one place (whatever third world nation) but may yield a chaotic struggle for survival in another area (the USA).

Which is not to say that poverty isn't eating a lot of people but rather that guarantees of food, cloth and shelter can be more useful metrics than median income in various places (world median income is rising but does that mean an increase people's ability to realize their geniuses, visions, passions etc?).

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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> Mathematical genius is fragile; society needs to stop destroying it ... but there are too many men in this field. Just love this marxist logic.

s/too many men/not enough women/

Suddenly it makes perfect sense. Why on earth do you choose to frame it the first way? Getting more women into math by having male mathematicians be less shitty people doesn't decrease the total number of mathematicians.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Math is a high IQ game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves.

Since mathematical skills (broadly defined) are a component of IQ, this is dangerously close to "Basketball is a getting the ball in the hoop game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves." True, but less informative than you might think... (This is not to comment on the underlying question of whether everyone has the potential to be a great mathematician, just a particular type of reasoning).

It would be more like "Basketball is about being in very good physical shape", which makes more sense.

IQ (or more precisely the g factor) correlates not only with math but also with language skills and music[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Math is a high IQ game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves.

Since mathematical skills (broadly defined) are a component of IQ, this is dangerously close to "Basketball is a getting the ball in the hoop game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves." True, but less informative than you might think... (This is not to comment on the underlying question of whether everyone has the potential to be a great mathematician, just a particular type of reasoning).

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Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since mathematical skills (broadly defined) are a component of IQ, this is dangerously close to "Basketball is a getting the ball in the hoop game. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves." True, but less informative than you might think... (This is not to comment on the underlying question of whether everyone has the potential to be a great mathematician, just a particular type of reasoning).

It would be more like "Basketball is about being in very good physical shape", which makes more sense. IQ (or more precisely the g factor) correlates not only with math but also with language skills and music[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

I very clearly said component and "close to", so I don't think what I said merits a correction.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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The author lost me at "Mathematical genius resides within every one of us — most people just don’t know it yet." The movie Ratatouille captured the sentiment much better, "a great chef can be anyone". Which is not the same as "anyone can be a great chef". It seems the author is mixing up those two. I fully agree that gender, background, schooling, etc is not the key determination of genius. However, saying anyone cou…

Why is that? Why do you claim not everyone has the potential to become a math genius? Do you have any evidence to back that up (besides Ratatouille)?

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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post #33

I'd just like to note that math in early years is taught as rote memorization problems and doing things over and over again like memorization. Contrast this with higher level math which is highly creative...

This is my exact problem. For my whole life i was afraid of math, after i (i had to took it, it was not my choice) took real Analysis class and watched Francis Su Real Analysis videos, I realized i like math more than CS (and cs was my only love in my entire life.). Right now i am starting abstract Algebra and i have plan to took probability and number theory after that. I am literally in love with math. It does feel…

Hey, just want to chime in and say keep at it. I don't come from a highly educated family nor was I especially fond of maths, but one good advanced math course with a really brilliant professor in my undergrad made me switch majors. And yes, I also started to feel like everything around me was falling in its place; it's quite a rush, huh? I haven't read the article yet, but no matter what anyone else says or what you read I hope you continually pursue your love of math. :)

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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> Mathematical genius is fragile; society needs to stop destroying it ... but there are too many men in this field. Just love this marxist logic.

s/too many men/not enough women/ Suddenly it makes perfect sense. Why on earth do you choose to frame it the first way? Getting more women into math by having male mathematicians be less shitty people doesn't decrease the total number of mathematicians.

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