So is there a limit on the number of people that can watch, per box? Can I watch it with my dog? With my friend? With my friend and her kids? Can I watch it during a birthday party? There will be 20 kids and their parents around, is that ok? Can each of said parents have a conference call with their buddies to watch and discuss the game? Is there a limit on the size of the tv? Can I mount a 10x5 monitor setup so peop…
Australian cable provider suing people who streamed event via Facebook
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Re: Australian cable provider suing people who streamed event via Facebook
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Where do you draw the line? If he was streaming something else that was going on in his home and happened to have the fight on in the background, would that be OK? What if you only caught a glimpse of the fight? What if it was just audio? I think it's dangerous to let Foxtel sue this guy for streaming something that's going on inside his own home (albeit, a view of his TV).
As jsmeaton says, judges aren't idiots, and a reasonable person's interpretation of intent is used in law all the time (see murder vs manslaughter, for example). Or another example: a person I know got done for embezzling a five-figure sum from a business. She got off pretty lightly (though not scot-free), because she used those funds to feed and clothe homeless people; she wasn't doing it to profit. The action and t…
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Why are you coming up with "scenarios"? It's illegal to rebroadcast a copyrighted show, which is what he was doing. Ignorance of the laws of copyright doesn't make it any less illegal. Also he'll be in civil breach of his cable contract too, which will have a rebroadcast clause in it. Streaming on Facebook is rebroadcasting. I can't understand, with even the most basic knowledge of copyright, how you can think it's n…
Because the world happens in scenarios. And failure to adapt to real world scenarios that regular humans might end up desiring is a problem. What you are saying is we should adapt, mold, conform, comply the law, all the time, without thinking. Laws come from the past and these scenarios come from the future. Who would you rather please? Your future you, who might end up away from home but still wants to watch the fig…
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Was that an attempt to burn me? Retro! What a tool. There's an existing law and just because you're rebroadcasting using Facebook Live instead of a video camera doesn't suddenly make it any less illegal. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Rebroadcasting copyrighted event = illegal. Rebroadcasting copyrighted event + Facebook live = ? Figure it out. We can come up with another scenario about waving y…
> Rebroadcasting copyrighted event + Facebook live = ? I'll add that this is breaking the law twice, once with the origin and second with Facebook as violation of their service. Otherwise, the parent doesn't make any sense in his ramblings.
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> Rebroadcasting copyrighted event + Facebook live = ? I'll add that this is breaking the law twice, once with the origin and second with Facebook as violation of their service. Otherwise, the parent doesn't make any sense in his ramblings.
Breaking Facebook's TOS isn't a breach of the law. God help us if it ever becomes illegal, what a creepy dystopia that would be.
In the worst case he would get banned from using Facebook, which nowadays can have can be negative based on the capacity user is engaged with it (using it as an online identity manager for logins, social consequences etc.).
Re: Australian cable provider suing people who streamed event via Facebook
#46Note, Telstra isn't "just" a cable provider. They currently own nearly all of the landline market, large portions of the Internet provider market, and the mobile carrier market. This randomly Googled page looks about accurate: https://www.statista.com/statistics/326147/number-of-broadba...
For the UK people, it's like BT before openreach, with extra mobile business.
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Whoa. Do you have any video or photographic references of this? Just really fascinated with the technicals of how they'd do that.
Sky in the UK do this routinely on their sports channels (example image: https://up.metropol247.co.uk/davidlees/bbc_sky_sports.png ). IIRC, switching channels causes it to temporarily disappear, so I assume the receiver is responsible for overlaying it on the incoming video feed.
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I don't think it's hard to see that streaming the event on Facebook is not what the subscription is meant for. I think it's pretty easy to discern private viewing from public viewing. You're not allowed to distribute the content. Don't tell me that those people didn't know they weren't supposed to stream someone else's content on Facebook.
"meant to" is not something that is factored into purchase. And what should, or should not be done is so subjective it's meaningless.
It's up to the customer to read them, but you agreed to them.
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Our legal system is based a lot on interpretations of reasonable expectations and reasonable behaviour. You may think you're being super clever by talking about it like you're interpreting it like an ISO standard and finding gaps, but everyone else including judges and juries understands what is reasonable and what is not.
Do you?
Definitely.
Re: Australian cable provider suing people who streamed event via Facebook
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Was that an attempt to burn me? Retro! What a tool. There's an existing law and just because you're rebroadcasting using Facebook Live instead of a video camera doesn't suddenly make it any less illegal. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Rebroadcasting copyrighted event = illegal. Rebroadcasting copyrighted event + Facebook live = ? Figure it out. We can come up with another scenario about waving y…
Sorry, didn't meant to make it personal. Retro wasn't an insult, "time delayed", or "vintage" would also be ok. I like retro. I was born when retro as modern. But can't help but notice that: 1) you also can't (until now) put lipstick on a man and call it a woman, but look at what new "scenarios" people have come up with recently. 2) You had something about being happy with half a brain, but deleted it. Glad to see yo…
I also deleted the bootlegger comment at the same time as well as I realised he'd not personally profiting from it so it's materially a different scenario, so I agree there.
But, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. The quality doesn't matter. Even if it were at 4 px density and colossally compressed audio. Sharing exemptions tend to be limited in scope, lending the physical copy so you can't use it at the same time, less than X number of people at a shared screening, etc. Some of the scenarios you can come up with are technically illegal, just no-one's going to enforce them. You might not remember but back in the day coaches weren't supposed to screen films from video tapes and it was explicitly stated in the copyright notices, but they did any way. They probably still do. But if a free cinema had set up and just started screening bootlegged films, they would have got raided and convicted because of the difference in scale.
Say I share a TV show or two with friends electronically. At worst if the law found out they'll tell me to cut it out. If I start hosting the TV show on a website and 100,000 people download it, you can be damn sure someone's going to ensure I'm going to feel the full scope of the law down my neck.
It's the same with this. If it hadn't got shared outside his friend group, even if they found out, no-one would have probably bothered doing anything apart from maybe send a warning not to do it again. But he knew 100,000+ people were using his stream, he was identified, contacted and he declined to stop. That he was ignorant of the law, or he was sharing in a newish way is not a defence.
From my pov, this isn't even new, my old housemate used to stream football games from illegal streams every weekend, I don't really see how this is any different just because it's using Facebook.