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China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Post by deepnotderp »

chronicy6 wrote: post #39
deepnotderp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I deeply respect ng and his team, but they are more applied. Also, hilariously, the article totally neglects that more research comes from Canada and Europe (deepmind) than the US....

You mean US companies with international offices such as Geoff Hinton at Google Toronto and DeepMind owned by Alphabet in the UK? Not to mention Facebook AI Research in Paris. Yep. Canada and Europe sure are producing strong research for the US. Thanks for the talent!

MILA, Maluuba, ElementAI are all from Canada. And when you buy foreign talent, where does the money go?

Into foreign tech economies....

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Post by Houshalter »

randcraw wrote: post #34
Houshalter wrote: post #27

>The new Chinese weapon typifies a strategy known as “remote warfare,” said John Arquilla, a military strategist at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey, Calif. The idea is to build large fleets of small ships that deploy missiles, to attack an enemy with larger ships, like aircraft carriers. This reminds me of a famous story of an early AI system, which competed against humans in a table top war game focused a…

Curious that the winning strategy resulted in the maximum loss of human life.

Not necessarily. The small ships probably have much smaller crews than the large ships.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

grzm wrote: post #28
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

OR are they? Its always problematic to take Chinese scientific claims at face value.

Do you have specific criticisms of the NYTimes piece? Reasons to think these particular claims are false? If you do, please do share, as it would be a substantial contribution to the conversation. Throwing aspersions or drive-by allusions of doubt is a primary reason why we're in the current situation where we can't seem to find agreement on so many things that should be facts.

In addition to being the worlds largest market for acupuncture, herbology, aphrodisiacs and a whole constellation of farce around 'chi'?

Here's some insight: http://io9.gizmodo.com/academic-fraud-in-china-is-getting-ou...

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67...

http://www.scidev.net/global/networks/editorials/china-must-...

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Post by grzm »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #43
grzm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have specific criticisms of the NYTimes piece? Reasons to think these particular claims are false? If you do, please do share, as it would be a substantial contribution to the conversation. Throwing aspersions or drive-by allusions of doubt is a primary reason why we're in the current situation where we can't seem to find agreement on so many things that should be facts.

In addition to being the worlds largest market for acupuncture, herbology, aphrodisiacs and a whole constellation of farce around 'chi'? Here's some insight: http://io9.gizmodo.com/academic-fraud-in-china-is-getting-ou... http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... http://www.scidev.net/global/networks/editorials/china-must-...

Your links provide more support than you comments regarding folklore. Other cultures are no stranger to superstitions, quack remedies, and non-scientific religious practices.

China has also progressed quite handily economically and technologically, areas that don't admit to too much reliance on things that don't work. Cautious skepticism isn't the same as out-of-hand dismissal.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

grzm wrote: post #44
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to being the worlds largest market for acupuncture, herbology, aphrodisiacs and a whole constellation of farce around 'chi'? Here's some insight: http://io9.gizmodo.com/academic-fraud-in-china-is-getting-ou... http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... http://www.scidev.net/global/networks/editorials/china-must-...

Your links provide more support than you comments regarding folklore. Other cultures are no stranger to superstitions, quack remedies, and non-scientific religious practices. China has also progressed quite handily economically and technologically, areas that don't admit to too much reliance on things that don't work. Cautious skepticism isn't the same as out-of-hand dismissal.

'Problematic' isn't quite the same as dismissal. But I get your point. Will tone it down!

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #29
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

OR are they? Its always problematic to take Chinese scientific claims at face value.

It's problematic to take scientific claims at face value, regardless of the claimants' ethnicity. It's also problematic to discount claims purely on the basis of the claimant's ethnicity. AI/machine learning has slightly more accountability than many other scientific fields, in that unless you provide an implementation for people to inspect or your results are easy to replicate, people generally aren't going to be pa…

In this case, Nationality. But I understand its not clear from text. Sorry!
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