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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by HeavenBanned »

frik wrote: post #25

No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color blind designers with a bad taste the brutalism of UI design plus the phone-home spyware features that cannot be deactivated. Windows 7 is too good and the perfect OS, if you don't install some recent spyware updates it will last at least until 2020 - and who k…

I cannot install Windows 7 on my Macbook Air via a dual-boot because Apple stopped supporting drivers, so I had to default to Windows 10.

However, I averted all of the oft-complained about issues of Windows 10 by specifically installing the Win. 10 LTSB (N) version.

Some perks to note of:

* No bloatware

* Updates every 60-90 days (as opposed to the oppressive every 5-7 days); choice to reboot auto or not.

* No Windows Media Player

* No MSFT Edge; Only Windows Explorer classic

* Classic calculator

* No Windows App Store

* No background apps

* No upselling shenanigans annoying my experience

* No MSFT cloud

* Cortana is removed completely not disabled

* Mission-critical updates only...avoids needless flair in favor of stable security.

All in all, I would highly recommend it.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by afghanPower »

akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

I get (maybe) your argument when it comes to Windows 7 -> Windows 10, but I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux. Following an Arch install tutorial shouldn't take anyone here on Hackernews more than 2 hours to get their DE, networking etc. up and going.

You should try it. It's fun!

Re: The woes of Windows 10

#43

Post by alyandon »

0xFFC wrote: post #30

Just fix fucking font rendering, I did use Windows machine as my workstation for 4 year (although being in love with linux), But I had to switch to Ubuntu, because of ridiculous font rendering. I don't have money to pay for new monitor every 2 year, and I am quite happy with my dual monitor 27 inch 1080p until windows 10 changed font rendering to DirectWrite. It is fucking disaster in low dpi monitor. As always Micro…

Yeah, I honestly thought I had a hardware issue on a computer I built for my son with a 24" 1080p monitor and it turned out to be Windows 10 font rendering changes.

I use Ubuntu at work and my other Windows 10 machine has 1920x1200 monitors at a distance that makes the rendering regression not easily noticeable.

It's great for small 1080p screens on laptops and 4k monitors though. :-/

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by digi_owl »

Win10 fails for different reacons than Win8.

While 8 tried to make tablet the priority use case, and thus breaking the muscle memory of many long term users, 10 abandons the notion of the owner of the hardware being in charge (sadly one that is increasingly taking root in FOSS circles as well).

Thus you have things like updates being ramrodded through even if the user says no, and keep saying no.

Damn it, i keep having to roll back the driver of my igpu because for some reason MS keep trying to update it along with the dgpu. This even though the support has been discontinued by AMD...

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by digi_owl »

afghanPower wrote: post #42
akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

I get (maybe) your argument when it comes to Windows 7 -> Windows 10, but I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux. Following an Arch install tutorial shouldn't take anyone here on Hackernews more than 2 hours to get their DE, networking etc. up and going. You should try it. It's fun!

I worry more about the long term support workload than the initial install.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by alex_anglin »

akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

I'm sure you would agree that security updates/upgrades are an exception to your rule.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by 0xFFC »

alyandon wrote: post #43
0xFFC wrote: post #30

Just fix fucking font rendering, I did use Windows machine as my workstation for 4 year (although being in love with linux), But I had to switch to Ubuntu, because of ridiculous font rendering. I don't have money to pay for new monitor every 2 year, and I am quite happy with my dual monitor 27 inch 1080p until windows 10 changed font rendering to DirectWrite. It is fucking disaster in low dpi monitor. As always Micro…

Yeah, I honestly thought I had a hardware issue on a computer I built for my son with a 24" 1080p monitor and it turned out to be Windows 10 font rendering changes. I use Ubuntu at work and my other Windows 10 machine has 1920x1200 monitors at a distance that makes the rendering regression not easily noticeable. It's great for small 1080p screens on laptops and 4k monitors though. :-/

Exactly, That was my whole point, Microsoft tried vigorously to ignore me and you (their current users) to compete with apple and google.

Do you see the irony? Microsoft does suffer from mismanagement.

You should never ever mess with your current user experience to improve your imaginary users experience.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by gregmac »

akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

> I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it?

I find I care about the applications I use: my IDE, git client, console, and the various web apps I use. I don't so much care about my browser UI, as long as it gets out of the way and shows me what URL I'm on and renders the page.

Likewise, I don't care about the UI of the OS itself, as long as it does its job properly: lets me start and switch between apps, connects to wifi, manages the display power, and sleeps and wakes up.

When I'm looking at the computer screen, I'm looking at what I'm doing, not the UI chrome. Even now, I'm only paying attention to this comment text box and your original message.. Everything else -- all the other tabs I have open, the visible bits of the OS, the other window open on my next monitor -- all blends into the background and gets ignored.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by kodfodrasz »

akappa wrote: post #20

I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…

The users may perceive operation satisfying, yet it may not be so, eg. because of security issues, which on the other hand pose dangers to other users as well, so the it doesn't matter to me attitude doesn't stand.

Given that the upgrade was free just as in the case of a linux upgrade the good enough point should consider these factors as well.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by fetbaffe »

shmerl wrote: post #9

> But he has also dusted down his four-year-old Apple MacBook Pro and upgraded his Windows 7 desktop to the latest version of Linux Mint rather than Windows 10. Despite their idiosyncrasies, Macintosh and Linux have never looked so attractive. Linux gets refugees both from Windows and MacOS because MS just keeps messing Windows up (seems to be happening every other version), and Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giv…

BSD gets refugees from Linux because messing up with systemd.
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