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Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

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Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#41

Apple should just buy AMD. It would only cost them about 15 Billion or so and they would get an x86 license. If they really want to control their own destiny this would be the way to go.

IIRC AMD's cross-licensing deals with Intel over certain key patents are null and void if AMD is bought, which puts a real damper on the main reason anyone would consider purchasing the company.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#42

Apple should just buy AMD. It would only cost them about 15 Billion or so and they would get an x86 license. If they really want to control their own destiny this would be the way to go.

I believe the licensing deal would terminate if AMD is sold

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#43
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds incredibly kludgey and at odds with Apple's de-investment in macOS. (As in "reduced investment", not "divestment".) Adding massive complexity to eke out another hour or two of battery life seems like a poor choice when there are so many things to be fixed in the OS.

Is apple divesting its mac offering? Sounds like FUD.

Divestment is an oversimplification of the direction Apple seems to be taking the Mac. Consolidation would be a better term: trying to prune the product line into a lineup of hits and nothing else, often to the exclusion of non-mainstream (professional) users.

So the test to apply is: will this enable a headline feature? In this case, if it lets Apple put a significantly bigger battery life number on the product page, I'd bet on it.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

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I think that in the long run you'll see a hybrid ARM/x64 Mac sharing the same case in the same way we have hybrid graphics. If you look at most of the processes running on a Mac, how many of those need to be running on the power-hungrier Intel chip? You could easily offload much of the kernel, Dock, compositor, Twitter desktop, etc to a lower-power ARM. In the case where you aren't running any x64 apps, you could the…

Doesn't that complicate the mainboard design vastly? Memory & caching, clocks & time, concurrency, etc.

Thankfully Intel has already done alot of new work in this area - allowing PCI devices (GPU, Xeon Phi) etc, to share computing resources more evenly.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

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I think that in the long run you'll see a hybrid ARM/x64 Mac sharing the same case in the same way we have hybrid graphics. If you look at most of the processes running on a Mac, how many of those need to be running on the power-hungrier Intel chip? You could easily offload much of the kernel, Dock, compositor, Twitter desktop, etc to a lower-power ARM. In the case where you aren't running any x64 apps, you could the…

This sounds incredibly kludgey and at odds with Apple's de-investment in macOS. (As in "reduced investment", not "divestment".) Adding massive complexity to eke out another hour or two of battery life seems like a poor choice when there are so many things to be fixed in the OS.

Why so? A Mac is a very high ASP item - why not, for example allow iOS apps to run in macOS (using the ARM processor).

Ultimately, the 2016 MBPs are a great example of why Apple needs to divest from Intel. The poor timing for Kaby Lake mobile processors and lack of low-power RAM were both Apple's reasons stated when the topic of "the MBP isn't keeping up with the competition" arises.

And who's to say that macOS.next will be anything similar to the current macOS?

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#46
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There is only one piece of "news" (possibly speculation) in this article: that they may offload some processing to the ARM coprocessor as a transitional step. Interesting idea! But the idea that they have the Mac OS running on their own ARM chips -- Apple shareholders should be annoyed if the company weren't doing this. OS X was running for a long time on Intel before anyone decided to make Intel based Macs.

... or iOS will be graduating up to be the new OS across both mobile and desktop platforms? Earlier today via HN.... http://www.macworld.com/article/3163248/ios/the-future-of-io...

People have been saying this since the inception of iOS; given the trajectory of Cocoa vs UIKit, I don't see much sign of this.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#47

As long as it's still x86/AMD64 we're good. I really don't want to see PPC/Intel fragmentation again.

Probably arm this time around and if you look at the linux ecosystem you'll see that there's nothing to fear.

No he means that running x86 legacy mac programs on an arm mac with an emulator as a compatibility shim would be slow. Linux is totally different, because you can clone an entire DISTRO, cross compile it, and have a native arm environment with no compatibility shims slowing things down.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#48
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There's always a hedge afoot. Apple had OS 7 running on Intel as early as 1992. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_project

System 7 on top of DrDOS... If only this could be released somehow, its an amazing bit of history, a copy has to exist somewhere.

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#49

Apple should just buy AMD. It would only cost them about 15 Billion or so and they would get an x86 license. If they really want to control their own destiny this would be the way to go.

IIRC AMD's cross-licensing deals with Intel over certain key patents are null and void if AMD is bought, which puts a real damper on the main reason anyone would consider purchasing the company.

I believe this is the agreement you're referring to and it looks like it applies even to a change in ownership of 50% of the company:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2488/000119312509236...

Re: Apple Said to Work on Mac Chip That Would Lessen Intel Role

#50
post #32

Can you just imagine how long the battery would last on an arm based macbook? Days?!

It is actually quite difficult to beat Intel on power efficiency once you start talking about laptop class CPUs. The combination of Intel's advanced fabrication tech and their highly efficient core family of microarchitectures gives them a significant advantage outside of the ultra-low-power space.
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