Right if they make H1B1 more restrictive, companies can just expand their hiring overseas. Offshoring could also accelerate as technology improves so being in the same office matters even less.
Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
WRT citizenship, if I googled it correctly, C-24 requires a terrorism-related conviction, or having obtained the citizenship by misrepresentation or fraud, in order to strip a dual citizen of their Canadian passport. It doesn't seem to be in the same category of things as the sorts of things Trump's doing. I'd say compared with Tories, the Republicans really are in a class of their own.
> It doesn't seem to be in the same category of things as the sorts of things Trump's doing. Indeed. While we have similar laws regarding denaturalization, Trump did not make them. But you're probably right about the rest; I doubt a Tory PM would demonstrate the same level of sloppy, slapdash, incompetent jackassery we're seeing from the new occupant of the Oval Office. Tangentially: I get there's a lot of fear going…
I think a problem with this administration is the ties to Bannon and Breitbart. There is a lot of white nationalism (alt-right) going on in those ranks.
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#43Wasn't the previous Canadian prime minister at least as xenophobic as Trump? (e.g., they revoked a bunch of dual citizens' Canadian citizenship) What will prevent Canadians from out-crazying the US in the next major election? (Honest question; Vancouver is a beautiful city, and presumably much less expensive than SF.)
The whole "this is crazy" bit is a matter of opinion only, you understand that, yes? What tech companies are so upset about is being cut off from their cheap source of exploitable labor. The rest of the huffing and puffing is just a smokescreen to make you forget what they are guilty of.
Are they actually paying foreign nationals less? As far as I can tell, it's just a talking point about H1B, compared to "expensive" US talent. Google, Apple and the like seem to pay very high wages to all employees.
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#44What I probably will never get is why - of all places - Silicon Valley is so obsessed with exclusively hiring locally. You'd think that companies that are so eager to disrupt whole industries would be more susceptive to adapting more modern and efficient ways of organising work.
I think there are a few possible reasons (I don't pretend to know which of these it is, or if it's one I haven't thought of).
1. Remote workers are actually not more productive than co-located workers. (I don't think this is it personally)
2. Investors and/or founders have some financial and/or non-financial incentive to keep everyone in SV.
Forcing everyone to be there drives up the demand for VC money as everything is more expensive, and when a CTO leaves to do his own thing, he's already there but probably can't afford to bootstrap, so he turns to VCs. If you had the same CTO working in Omaha for 90% of the pay, he'd be able to bootstrap whatever he wanted and the original company wouldn't have needed as much (or any) VC money in the first place.
I'd love to set up VC meetings then say a few days prior that I'm only interested in 100% remote team and see how many of them cancel.
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#45Canada, where you make less and pay more
A while back I worked in both Connecticut and in Toronto. Same salary in both places. (Salary was adjusted for exchange rate.)
I paid more tax in CT than in Canada on that income.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd move to Mexico. My purchasing power would skyrocket, and from what I've seen Mexico City is pretty cool. It's obviously got some downsides, like not being an English speaking country, which is probably why it's not happening
No the downsides of Mexico are the insecurity, the pollution and the endemic corruption of authorities. Not speaking english is a fake problem. You can learn spanish in 6 months if you live in the country, it's not a very hard language and Mexican are very social people.
As a Canadian, I'd move to Mexico if I was paid the same as I'm making now. Of course no company would be happy to have that happen ;-)
Plus, I'm already used to going to Mexico in winter for a week on a beach, and Mexican food is delicious.
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#47Canada, where you make less and pay more
You don't pay more in Toronto. You don't even pay more in tax let alone healthcare and housing. Vancouver is really the only place it could reasonably be argued that you pay more while earning less, and it's one of the warmest areas in Canada, with awesome giant mountains, and a beautiful coastline. Live in Halifax[1], earn $80k a year as a decent, but unremarkable, software developer and buy a house downtown or on t…
> Live in Halifax
Yeah but that Atlantic Canada winter. Brrrh. Nope!
> Or Ottawa, or Montreal, or Quebec City, or Kingston, or Waterloo
These all experience winter. Although skiing does make up for some of that, and in Ottawa you've got the Rideau canal.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
WRT citizenship, if I googled it correctly, C-24 requires a terrorism-related conviction, or having obtained the citizenship by misrepresentation or fraud, in order to strip a dual citizen of their Canadian passport. It doesn't seem to be in the same category of things as the sorts of things Trump's doing. I'd say compared with Tories, the Republicans really are in a class of their own.
As far as I know Trudeau government already repealed it.
You are thinking of Bill C-6, to repeal the changes from bill C-24. Although it passed over a year ago, it was referred to Senate Committee last December and since then, status hasn't been updated.
So "repealed" is premature, as C-6 still doesn't have any announced target date for entering in effect.
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#49I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…
The weather, unfortunately, is terrible. But this is also a problem with Seattle, another major tech hub.
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#50This is a reality of technology and remote work. There is no need for most tech workers to have any geographic proximity to an office. I suspect the H1B situation will cause many that currently use the program for low cost staff augment to just move their whole IT operation to managed services. This yields a loss of American jobs since he majority of work is done off shore. I believe this is happening naturally right…
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