This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
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#42This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Congress has given the Executive broad powers to control immigration from countries. Please explain how a coup d'etat is happening. Obama bombed many of these countries and killed citizens of them, but I don't remember that being a scandal.
That sounds for all the world like the executive branch rejecting the authority of the judicial branch.
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#44This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.
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#45This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Its interesting how overreach in executive orders on one side is greeted as business as usual, versus being viewed as grounds for secession when the shoe is on the other foot
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#46This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Congress has given the Executive broad powers to control immigration from countries. Please explain how a coup d'etat is happening. Obama bombed many of these countries and killed citizens of them, but I don't remember that being a scandal.
I do remember that being a scandal.
To your main point, a story has been going around that a court has put a stay on the executive order. If true, this would mean that enforcing the order is currently illegal; and doing so could be called a "coup" by the executive branch (although I don't think this technically qualifies as a coup).
Having said that, my understanding is that the referenced court case only applies to the specific individuals who sued, so enforcement of the order is still legal in all other cases.
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#47This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Congress has given the Executive broad powers to control immigration from countries. Please explain how a coup d'etat is happening. Obama bombed many of these countries and killed citizens of them, but I don't remember that being a scandal.
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#48This administration would be far from the first government to deliberately play dumb, issue contradictory statements, and otherwise sow confusion to keep any potential opposition scattered and on the defensive. Of course it could all just be a really sloppy transition.
I'm going to assume the last paragraph in the statement is controlling and they will comply (even though we are getting reports of some DHS offices ignoring the stay). But what if they don't?
Refusal to follow court orders will be the end of the United States. Once you break that seal everything falls apart. We have appeals for a reason. Congress has the power to change the law (thus overriding the courts) for a reason. This is also something some of us warned you Trump supporters about and you ignored it or laughed it off.
If you think Steve Bannon (new de-facto head of the National Security Council) gives two shits about the rule of law I've got a bridge to sell you. We already know Trump doesn't give a crap when he started bashing the US citizen judge presiding over his Trump University case by saying he wasn't qualified to judge the case because he was "Mexican". It's a trivial step to declare Congress invalid and establish "temporary emergency measures".
Even if you agree with Trump and support him you should understand how refusal to follow our legal process is a direct threat to everyone... a far greater long-term threat than letting 10,000 terrorists into the country. We can rebuild buildings. We cannot so easily rebuild a functioning democracy.
If you think the FBI or police agencies would step in to stop Trump from declaring himself dictator you are sadly mistaken.
I hope this is just incompetence. If it isn't then the day is coming soon when every one of us must pick a side and take direct action. Fortunately I don't expect that to happen, but the chances have moved up "impossible".
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#49This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.
If the point is actually to reassure the reader, the tone is completely off. I don't find seething rage to be very reassuring.