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Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you start with a massive inheritance, to some extent that will diminish the stress. Bathing in gold-plated bathtubs also cuts stress, and grabbing felines because you can. One could argue that a black American would have great difficulty taking advantage of these stress reliefs.

Can we put aside the partisan attacks and have a rational discussion here on Hacker News? In that spirit, I think you're wrong about inherited wealth, gold, and women who "let you do it" being unavailable to black Americans. A small number of people of both races have access to these things.

I don't understand how that was a partisan attack. Are you saying he didn't grab women's genitals?

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TLDR (or at least what I took from it): Too much adversity produces stress that is bad for the body in that it ages your immune system much faster than it should. Sounds plausible.

It is slightly more than adversity, as anyone can lose someone important or their job, suffer from brain trauma, etc. Upward mobility implies understanding and navigating through different sets of social rules and this can be extremely stressful and implies what sociologists call anomie. The sociological explanation of this phenomenon is almost a hundred years old. You can read it here: Merton, Robert K. (October 193…

There is a also a wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie which is a term I hadn't heard before.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we put aside the partisan attacks and have a rational discussion here on Hacker News? In that spirit, I think you're wrong about inherited wealth, gold, and women who "let you do it" being unavailable to black Americans. A small number of people of both races have access to these things.

I don't understand how that was a partisan attack. Are you saying he didn't grab women's genitals?

Apparently we can't put that topic aside to discuss campaign stress making candidates sick.

I called it a partisan attack because, prompted by the mere mention of Trump's name, that comment pulled the conversation so far off topic for no reason other than to attack Trump.

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#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important qualifier: (I only read up to the middle) the results were largely associated with African American subjects.

Yes, they kept saying the negative effects didn't happen to whites, so I'm not sure what the takeaway here is. Life is harder for black people?

I assumed, on reading, that they were suggesting it was due to some societal factors (e.g. racism) that makes it harder for black people, but maybe I misinterpreted it.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

#46

The Trump administration could do much more to damage Americans’ health than just repeal the Affordable Care Act and leave people without access to hospitals and medications. And somehow they manage to tie it back to Trump

It's the NYT. They had to find a way.

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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You know what also makes you sick? A lack of professional accomplishment, missing respect from your peers, and a general sense of purposelessness. It's easy to look at the costs of ambition and ignore its benefits.

The qualities you are listing affect your emotional health. The article focuses on the physical health of the body. One does affect the other but that's not the point of the article.

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#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you start with a massive inheritance, to some extent that will diminish the stress. Bathing in gold-plated bathtubs also cuts stress, and grabbing felines because you can. One could argue that a black American would have great difficulty taking advantage of these stress reliefs.

Can we put aside the partisan attacks and have a rational discussion here on Hacker News? In that spirit, I think you're wrong about inherited wealth, gold, and women who "let you do it" being unavailable to black Americans. A small number of people of both races have access to these things.

I agree that people, regardless of race, can end up ranking pretty high on the ladder of Western society.

However, it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that everyone starts out in the same position on that ladder.

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we put aside the partisan attacks and have a rational discussion here on Hacker News? In that spirit, I think you're wrong about inherited wealth, gold, and women who "let you do it" being unavailable to black Americans. A small number of people of both races have access to these things.

I agree that people, regardless of race, can end up ranking pretty high on the ladder of Western society. However, it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that everyone starts out in the same position on that ladder.

When did I suggest that?

Re: Succeeding Against the Odds Can Make You Sick

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TLDR (or at least what I took from it): Too much adversity produces stress that is bad for the body in that it ages your immune system much faster than it should. Sounds plausible.

Is there info about social status. Because Trump should be on his deathbed now and Obama must be already very very sick. And generally speaking successful politicians live long. Castro, Mugabe... And they did had a lot of adversaries. And won against the odds.

Look at pictures of recent presidents when they enter office and when they leave office:

https://newsandfroyo.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/why-the-draft-...

(Ignore the article, I just picked it because they've already collected before & after photos of each of the last 4 presidents.)

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