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Democracy Index 2016

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Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by optimuspaul »

bildung wrote: post #17
agnsaft wrote: post #2

Are they trying to say that the democracy is now worse because the wrong guys was elected?

No: " The downgrade was not a consequence of Donald Trump, states the report. Rather, it was caused by the same factors that led Mr Trump to the White House: a continued erosion of trust in government and elected officials, which the index measures using data from global surveys. In total, it incorporates 60 indicators across five broad categories: electoral process and pluralism, functioning of government, political…

I wish that they had chosen colors for their "really nice interactive world map" that weren't so similar on the ends for the colorblind population of the world.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by yellowapple »

baursak wrote: post #10

That should have happened 16 years ago.

It should have happened 200 years ago. It ain't like our political system has really changed all that much since then (if anything, it's only gotten more democratic, what with the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement and women's suffrage). There has always been the opportunity for a President to be elected without the popular vote.

This exact situation happened in the 1876 and 1888 elections (and a similar but not exact case happened in 1824). The whole "fake news" epidemic also reeks strongly of the 1800 election.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by dang »

paradite wrote: post #37

Why would this be flagged? It is a good report with lot of information and analysis to gratify intellectual curiosity.

[flagged] on a post means > N users flagged it for a fairly large value of N. We don't know why users flagged it, but in this case I'd guess it's either because the material is politicized or because it requires a registration to download.

HN hasn't proven capable of discussing articles like this without devolving into a partisan spat, so I'd say the flags are reasonable.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by paradite »

dang wrote: post #43
paradite wrote: post #37

Why would this be flagged? It is a good report with lot of information and analysis to gratify intellectual curiosity.

[flagged] on a post means > N users flagged it for a fairly large value of N. We don't know why users flagged it, but in this case I'd guess it's either because the material is politicized or because it requires a registration to download. HN hasn't proven capable of discussing articles like this without devolving into a partisan spat, so I'd say the flags are reasonable.

It is probably the first case because I can download (view the pdf) without registering.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by baursak »

yellowapple wrote: post #42
baursak wrote: post #10

That should have happened 16 years ago.

It should have happened 200 years ago. It ain't like our political system has really changed all that much since then (if anything, it's only gotten more democratic, what with the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement and women's suffrage). There has always been the opportunity for a President to be elected without the popular vote. This exact situation happened in the 1876 and 1888 elections (and a simi…

Oh sure, I just don't think Democracy Index was around back then.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by dang »

paradite wrote: post #44
dang wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged] on a post means > N users flagged it for a fairly large value of N. We don't know why users flagged it, but in this case I'd guess it's either because the material is politicized or because it requires a registration to download. HN hasn't proven capable of discussing articles like this without devolving into a partisan spat, so I'd say the flags are reasonable.

It is probably the first case because I can download (view the pdf) without registering.

I was asked to register, so I suppose some others were too.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by tzs »

ekianjo wrote: post #6

Oh so that's the "Trump effect" at play right? In reality the democracy has been eroding for many years in the US, especially if you consider all the concessions made to individuals rights since the War on Drugs and War on Terrorism - and that's nothing new, it dates back to the 70s already, and it should have been degraded to flawed democracy rating for a while now, regardless of whoever is the President. So just an…

> Oh so that's the "Trump effect" at play right?

Nope.

> In reality the democracy has been eroding for many years in the US, especially if you consider all the concessions made to individuals rights since the War on Drugs and War on Terrorism - and that's nothing new, it dates back to the 70s already, and it should have been degraded to flawed democracy rating for a while now, regardless of whoever is the President.

They essentially note this in the report, and say that the US score would have fallen below 8 regardless of who won the 2016 election.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by paradite »

dang wrote: post #46
paradite wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is probably the first case because I can download (view the pdf) without registering.

I was asked to register, so I suppose some others were too.

Ah, never mind, I see the "Welcome, [my university name] user." message on the top header.

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by basch »

yellowapple wrote: post #42
baursak wrote: post #10

That should have happened 16 years ago.

It should have happened 200 years ago. It ain't like our political system has really changed all that much since then (if anything, it's only gotten more democratic, what with the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement and women's suffrage). There has always been the opportunity for a President to be elected without the popular vote. This exact situation happened in the 1876 and 1888 elections (and a simi…

electors being chosen by party completely changes the dynamic. they are chosen and bound based on their loyalty

Re: Democracy Index 2016

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Post by grokkable »

The wikipedia entry for Hacker News needs to be changed. It currently reads:

"Hacker News is a social news website focusing on computer science and entrepreneurship."

Politics needs to be added. What a fucking joke. Someone regex the submissions.

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