Doesn't this run contra to another recent story about Uber being against giving cities this data?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-05/uber-does...
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Re: Uber Movement
#42My quess would be that Uber use it as a carrot for cities. Let Uber operate and we will give city official data and city planning tools for free.
It's win–win–win. If cities make improvements to their transportation infrastructure based on this data, ultimately it helps Uber deliver better service to its customers.
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#43My quess would be that Uber use it as a carrot for cities. Let Uber operate and we will give city official data and city planning tools for free.
A win win for everyone but the drivers. Sure they can quit but doesn't excuse Uber from using its negotiating power against exploiting them wherever possible.
Don't worry. Having drivers is not the long term plan anyways.
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#44My quess would be that Uber use it as a carrot for cities. Let Uber operate and we will give city official data and city planning tools for free.
It's win–win–win. If cities make improvements to their transportation infrastructure based on this data, ultimately it helps Uber deliver better service to its customers.
Well except for the drivers that get paid less and less now. I mean we'll forget about all that once their self-driving vehicles start being deployed, right? Well until they kill people.
I mean don't get me wrong, the data is valuable. But this is a company that constantly says "fuck you" to the law and fair work practices. Let's keep that in mind.
Re: Uber Movement
#45Doesn't this run contra to another recent story about Uber being against giving cities this data? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-05/uber-does...
In that case, NYC is asking for addresses and timestamps. The data provided by Movement is aggregate. In other words, cities like NYC want Movement but without the anonymization.
Re: Uber Movement
#46Hope this is as fantastic as this sounds. Many cities are starting to make this data publicly available, and the potential impact to urban planning, traffic reduction, parking and more is enormous. That said, what's Uber's commercial angle? Licensing fees? "Movement makes all insights available under the Creative Commons, Attribution Non-Commercial license."
> Hope this is as fantastic as this sounds The experience in Boston was that Uber anonymized the data too much for it to be useful[1]. I would be very skeptical of this as it seems to be a program publicly touted as useful, but the e-mails obtained via FOIA requests show it to not be. I'm not sure what the solution is since privacy should be a concern. [1] https://www.boston.com/news/business/2016/06/16/bostons-uber.…
An unsurprising quote from the article:
> [Boston chief information officer Jascha Franklin-Hodge] said the data has been useful to show the volume of Uber rides in Boston and users’ typical wait times, but it has not done much to aid in city planning.
In other words, that was just a PR offensive. Maybe this new iteration will be something else, but I would be skeptical.
Re: Uber Movement
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
A win win for everyone but the drivers. Sure they can quit but doesn't excuse Uber from using its negotiating power against exploiting them wherever possible.
Don't worry. Having drivers is not the long term plan anyways.
This. People who drive automobiles for a living should start investing in new skills now.
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#48Uber however caters to a specific class of people and they don't seem to be the people who can only afford public transport. This may not be an issue in America, but i think if cities change their public transit planning to accomodate the class of people who can afford uber, they will be disadvantaging those who really need it.
Re: Uber Movement
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so privacy? This data is anonymised, they could do the same.
Provable privacy based on 'anonymized' published data sets that resists third-party information and linkage is really hard -- arguably impossible in general. When people claim 'anonymized' data, I tend to not be fully convinced.
I completely agree with you on the difficulty of truly anonymizing data.
I do wonder if there any holes in this idea though: What if they released the data the number of cars per hour per segment of road (a segment meaning a continuous piece of road between two intersections) rounded to the nearest multiple of 10?
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#50> We believe that breakthrough insights and ideas can come from anywhere. In the coming months, we’ll be making this data open to all. I genuinely do not believe this. If they intended on making anonymized data open, they wouldn't have a marketing site up already.
I don't understand why those have to be mutually exclusive. It's possible that they haven't finished cleaning the data for public use, but the data is ready for 'trusted' city planners.
I don't think it's mutually exclusive - I simply don't trust Uber to act in good faith for anything they do. They've yet to demonstrate that they're deserving of trust that they're going to make that data open.