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LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

realstuff wrote: post #29
Thrillington wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not going to fix the problem. Installing updates on an iPhone older than a couple years bogs performance down to unusable levels.

I am aware but at least I won't get hacked which is more important than performance.

But even if Apple may be better than most android manufacturers, Apple still doesn't support devices it considers "Obsolete"...and there is nothing you can do about it other than buy a new phone since the bootloader is locked down. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices anything before iPhone 5 is considered "Oboslete" and they don't seem to be releasing updates. On the other hand, I've been happily using my Samsung S3 which cyanogenmod has been pushing latest android updates to nightly...and that is likely to continue as long as there are enough of us who care, even if cyanogen and samsung goes away.

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

swiley wrote: post #23

If google wants Android to survive as a platform, they should be directly giving money to projects like this, they are what make it bearable.

as has been discussed elsewhere, the ability to avoid using google services is a serious disincentive for google to support cyanogenmod.

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by hackuser »

g_p wrote: post #30
dispose13432 wrote: post #6

The question is what will ensure the continual non-profitness of lineageOS? The problem is two fold: 1. Get maintainers. 2. Make sure that the high ranking individuals can't just "take the ball and go home", and (however unpopular this opinion may be here), GPL is the only way to ensure that they will never be able to sell out ever again. And especially after the CM/CyanogenOS/Focal/Paranoid Android situation, privat…

GPL is the route that OmniROM tried to go down, in order to attempt to ensure that the ROM remained community focused and true to its roots. One potential issue with CM is that users were signing contributor license agreements (CLAs) to the "project leads" of the "CyanogenMod Project" [1]. While everything is under Apache 2, which ensures it can be used in future, there were plenty of cases where people submitted cod…

> GPL is the route that OmniROM tried to go down

You write in past tense; what happened?

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by bitmapbrother »

swiley wrote: post #23

If google wants Android to survive as a platform, they should be directly giving money to projects like this, they are what make it bearable.

Why would Google fund a bunch of script kiddies who know nothing about OS development and do nothing but introduce bugs into the OS they leech from?

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

redahs wrote: post #20
dispose13432 wrote: post #6

The question is what will ensure the continual non-profitness of lineageOS? The problem is two fold: 1. Get maintainers. 2. Make sure that the high ranking individuals can't just "take the ball and go home", and (however unpopular this opinion may be here), GPL is the only way to ensure that they will never be able to sell out ever again. And especially after the CM/CyanogenOS/Focal/Paranoid Android situation, privat…

User donations earmarked for X phone model + Y OS version held in trust and paid out to the first developer who completes (X,Y) port of the OS as a one-time cash prizes, with Z% overhead taken out each donation to fund the central developers \ organization.

Excellent idea. Reminds me of tip4commit.com or BitHub.

I also wonder if make sense for donator to be able to select their desired Z percentage.

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by BuuQu9hu »

g_p wrote: post #25
gsnedders wrote: post #3

Who's going to make sure LineageOS users get security updates in a timely manner? Is anyone going to be paid to work on it? Any large OSS distribution is going to have a fairly continuous stream of security fixes to ship to their users, and that takes a fair amount of time, and I'm always concerned about whether any new project (okay—it's not quite new, but they have a fraction of the number of developers they did tw…

Not directly an answer, but one of the big issues with security patches for custom ROMs is the amount of patches they don't (read can't) ship. The proprietary blobs are very often not patched when the device is vendor-supported, and once it reaches end of life from the vendor (but the community ROMs give devices significantly extended longevity), there's no more patches to these blobs. Blobs incorporate the modem, ba…

The only solution seems to be reverse engineering the blobs and mainlining Linux kernel drivers, without both of those security updates get much much harder to impossible.

I've no idea how to achieve that on volunteer time, maybe a crowdfunded reverse engineering and mainlining org could work?

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by g_p »

hackuser wrote: post #44
g_p wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPL is the route that OmniROM tried to go down, in order to attempt to ensure that the ROM remained community focused and true to its roots. One potential issue with CM is that users were signing contributor license agreements (CLAs) to the "project leads" of the "CyanogenMod Project" [1]. While everything is under Apache 2, which ensures it can be used in future, there were plenty of cases where people submitted cod…

> GPL is the route that OmniROM tried to go down You write in past tense; what happened?

Nothing, sorry - was using the past tense thinking about when the decision was made a while back. Omni seems to be getting more traction of late with people concerned about the CM issues. They are still GPL and that probably acts as a fairly decent barrier to any kind of acqui-hire attempts. Also having a diverse range of contributors (many with good jobs) helps there too, by making it very expensive/complex to try to get enough people onboard.

In an ironic sense, the argument used by CM was "CM Inc is different from CM community", and I think that was enough to keep some of the alternative ROMs pretty small. Sadly though, it has now emerged CM community was indeed a subset of CM Inc, and not so separate after all.

Re: LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was

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Post by BuuQu9hu »

redahs wrote: post #20
dispose13432 wrote: post #6

The question is what will ensure the continual non-profitness of lineageOS? The problem is two fold: 1. Get maintainers. 2. Make sure that the high ranking individuals can't just "take the ball and go home", and (however unpopular this opinion may be here), GPL is the only way to ensure that they will never be able to sell out ever again. And especially after the CM/CyanogenOS/Focal/Paranoid Android situation, privat…

User donations earmarked for X phone model + Y OS version held in trust and paid out to the first developer who completes (X,Y) port of the OS as a one-time cash prizes, with Z% overhead taken out each donation to fund the central developers \ organization.

> completes

This would have be defined carefully to avoid the device dropping out of support quickly.

Personally I think full-time work would be better than bounties.

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