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Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Estimates range from 11 to 16 million illegal immigrants, though a few years ago the highest one was at 20 million.

So you're really telling me on the high end 100% of illegal immigrants pay taxes and on the low end 68% do?

Pretty much, yes. It's a lot harder to avoid the IRS than Immigration Services, and AFAIK the IRS doesn't give a shit as long as you pay your taxes.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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post #32

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Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

People tend to ignore the negative consequences of causes they support. We all want to live in the best possible world, and it's hard to accept that any policy we choose will have serious negative consequences. We know for a fact that failing to enforce immigration laws will lead to tens of thousands of murders and kidnappings every year. And yet enforcing them will lead to a lot of misery for those who are deported.…

    numerous studies going back more than
    a century have shown that immigrants
    —regardless of nationality or legal
    status—are less likely than the
    native population to commit violent
    crimes or to be incarcerated
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-...

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#43

Thiel calls himself a libertarian, but his involvement with Palantir demonstrates that he is just as much a big-government statist as the people he criticizes.

Libertarian doesn't equal open borders, as that's a broad political spectrum.

Hell, even some anarcho-capitalists (like the late Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe) are against open borders.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

> Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? Because the laws are unjust. There is clearly an immigration problem in the United States and I personally don't believe tracking and deporting he people already here will ever contribute to a successful solution. > If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share f…

> Because the laws are unjust. There is clearly an immigration problem in the United States and I personally don't believe tracking and deporting he people already here will ever contribute to a successful solution.

Then change the laws, but in order to do that you need to get your own people elected.

It's funny how ultimately the camps that allegedly is for a strong federal government would be better off with a weak "confederate style" federation. If the federal government wouldn't be in charge of immigration policies then whatever state you live in could set whatever immigration laws you want.

It's also curious how only in US immigration laws are seen as as immoral. Try to move to Canada and see how hard it is to survive there illegally. Yet Canada is somehow seen as the heaven of progressiveness somehow ...

Here is the thing, the more illegal immigrants you accept and defend, the harder it is for the people who actually want to respect US laws and go through the official process. That's the only thing that is immoral here. But you don't care about these people.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#45

Thiel calls himself a libertarian, but his involvement with Palantir demonstrates that he is just as much a big-government statist as the people he criticizes.

Libertarian doesn't equal open borders, as that's a broad political spectrum. Hell, even some anarcho-capitalists (like the late Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe) are against open borders.

I think the point is like Musk, these people hardly refuse government subsidizes. You might argue they provide a service, they are not getting a handout, but it's still paid by the same taxes they want to get rid off at first place.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#46

Thiel calls himself a libertarian, but his involvement with Palantir demonstrates that he is just as much a big-government statist as the people he criticizes.

Libertarian doesn't equal open borders, as that's a broad political spectrum. Hell, even some anarcho-capitalists (like the late Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe) are against open borders.

It's not about borders or immigration -- that is just this specific case. Palantir helps big government in a variety of ways which are incompatible with a libertarian worldview.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#47

This startup helps hackers track Peter Thiel's immoral startups.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

Aren't you the same poster who wrote "The real question is how hard is this permit to obtain? I'm also guessing the permit limits Uber from doing what they want completely."?

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#48
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People tend to ignore the negative consequences of causes they support. We all want to live in the best possible world, and it's hard to accept that any policy we choose will have serious negative consequences. We know for a fact that failing to enforce immigration laws will lead to tens of thousands of murders and kidnappings every year. And yet enforcing them will lead to a lot of misery for those who are deported.…

numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants —regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-...

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Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

Aren't you the same poster who wrote "The real question is how hard is this permit to obtain? I'm also guessing the permit limits Uber from doing what they want completely."?

Failing to make the connection you're attempting to draw...

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

#50
post #20

Maybe it's time for somebody to start a company aimed at helping illegal immigrants avoid the government?

Are you for open borders? No? Then illegal immigrants are going to exist.

Are you for open borders?

Yes. For the most part, I oppose the idea of nation-states and most of what people call "government" altogether. I support free movement of people, ideas, consumer goods, etc. As far as I'm concerned, as long as no use of coercive force / aggression is involved, it's all good.

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