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Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by merb »

Bombthecat wrote: post #28
random3 wrote: post #10

Oracle will become the new SCO :) That said, the article is a bit fuzzy. For example, if you want to use Flight Recorder you have to explicitly enable commercial features UnlockCommercialFeatures. This is however free for non-production use. That is "designing, developing and testing" http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/... > A. COMMERCIAL FEATURES. You may not use the Commercial Features for…

Oracle won't die anytime soon.the database from oracle is just too good for big data.

I've never seen a database that has a extra tool for configuring and managing listeners for tcp/http whatever + the wierd syntax for configuring those.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by owaislone »

drvdevd wrote: post #25
oceante wrote: post #13

This entire article is bullshit clickbait designed to appeal to select baseless biases. It offers no meaningful content except for this single sentence: "The Register has learned of one customer in retail with 80,000 PCs which was informed by Oracle it was in breach on Java." There are no further details about why this customer was "targeted" or the nature of their licensing deal with Oracle. I would think after all…

Yeah I'm not in love with Java, but let's also not forget that Google has successfully extracted Java from Oracle's hands at this point, to a billion-or-so installation extent.

By essentially re-implementing Java. That doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by VonGuard »

owaislone wrote: post #42
drvdevd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm not in love with Java, but let's also not forget that Google has successfully extracted Java from Oracle's hands at this point, to a billion-or-so installation extent.

By essentially re-implementing Java. That doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

And Oracle sued over that. Still is suing over that. The suit threatens all of software by declaring APIs exempt from fair use.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by BoorishBears »

VonGuard wrote: post #43
owaislone wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By essentially re-implementing Java. That doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

And Oracle sued over that. Still is suing over that. The suit threatens all of software by declaring APIs exempt from fair use.

It's not like Google didn't do anything wrong, the fragmentation created by dividing Java into Java, and "Android Java", is damaging

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by drvdevd »

BoorishBears wrote: post #44
VonGuard wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Oracle sued over that. Still is suing over that. The suit threatens all of software by declaring APIs exempt from fair use.

It's not like Google didn't do anything wrong, the fragmentation created by dividing Java into Java, and "Android Java", is damaging

One could argue that the Java ecosystem was already pretty fragmented and weird anyway: Java Card, Java in the browser, all the many versions of the JVM on every platform, and open source JVM "forks"... right?

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by BoorishBears »

drvdevd wrote: post #45
BoorishBears wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like Google didn't do anything wrong, the fragmentation created by dividing Java into Java, and "Android Java", is damaging

One could argue that the Java ecosystem was already pretty fragmented and weird anyway: Java Card, Java in the browser, all the many versions of the JVM on every platform, and open source JVM "forks"... right?

Sure, but then Google went and added another billion plus installations of a new fork that only shares very superficial ties with normal Java (in reference to Dalvik, which has been replaced but still defines the intentions Google had as far as staying compatible).

And to add insult to injury, they've gone and fragmented Java on that platform too.

Right now on Android you can have:

Java "6.5" hybrid, Java 6 with some Java 7 features

(Overwhelming majority of developers are stuck with this, and this is where an Android project defaults to.)

Java 6 with some Java 7 and 8 features but no Java 8 APIs

(Retrolambda)

Java 8 without the proper Java 8 APIs, but breaking several popular tools for Android development

(Jack + Devices not on Android N)

Java 8 with proper Java 8 APIs, but breaking several popular tools for Android development

(Jack + Devices on Android N)

I've always felt that Oracle should have some legal recourse for what Google did. It honestly doesn't feel that different than what Microsoft did with Visual J++ and we saw how that went down. It's a shame it's come down to the case for copyrighting APIs instead of the case for punishing Google for subtly breaking Java's maturity on their platform while benefiting from calling it "Java".

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun

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Post by bitmapbrother »

donatj wrote: post #26
bitmapbrother wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java isn't going anywhere. C#, though, does seem to be dying.

I have literally no idea what would lead you to that conclusion. C# has been growing by leaps and bounds.

Not according to TIOBE where it's been declining year over year.
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