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Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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So according to Microsoft, based on their numbers, which they won't release, more people are trading in Macs for Surfaces than before. There's also no way of knowing if this claimed increase is in any way significant.

I'm rather puzzled that even with this complete lack of data, which The Verge seems also skeptical about, they still decided to write an article about it.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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It's a function of how you use your computer. I travel a lot and find 13" is a pretty good compromise between portability and usability. No way would I travel with a 15". I do sometimes just go with a small Asus Flip Chromebook but with the knowledge that I can't use it for everything.

I think it also depends on how you travel. I have a 4 hour commute each day but it is on the train. I'm lucky enough to be at the first stop each way so I typically get a seat and the train is typically empty enough so I get a seat to myself. Because of that I'm able to plop my 15" laptop on my and go to town. When I fly it is more of an issue because of the limited space, so I definitely understand why a 13" becomes…

Yup. I decide on form-factor primarily based on whether I can easily bring the device on a brisk 30 minute bike commute without sweating (too much).

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I'd be curious to see the real numbers: Again, Microsoft refuses to provide numbers but vaguely claims “our trade-in program for MacBooks was our best ever.” If you go from 5 trade ins to 7, you can site your best year ever. It doesn't mean you've made a dent. I can see that people are disappointed in the new MacBook, but there are very few I know that would just say "screw it, I'm switching platforms." Admittedly, m…

True, but seeing that trend upwards allows Microsoft to put more dollars towards developing Surface. I don't know if Microsoft has reached parity with Apple with professional development machines, but it does look like they've set themselves up to be a contender for next generations. With increased internal funding, they may actually achieve that goal.

> I don't know if Microsoft has reached parity with Apple with professional development machines

I assume they are still way off, and may not catch up in the near future. But I also think for Microsoft that's not a problem: when professional developers buy a nice Dell or a Lenovo model instead of a Mac, and run it on Windows, that's still a win for Microsoft. Surface is also meant to show that PC's do not have to suck.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I believe it. I just abandoned Apple after years of loyalty. I looked hard at Surfaces and after considering them for a while I decided they weren't ready to be my main dev machine, so I went with a Thinkpad. But Microsoft is doing great stuff with its hardware lately.

Microsoft is doing excellent stuff with hardware. It's a pity that it comes at the price of being bundled with their user-hostile nightmare of an operating system.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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Users switching from macOS to Surface last year: 100

Users switching from macOS to Surface this year: 150

"Best year ever!"

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When companies say things like this and refuse to give actual sell through numbers, the above is what I think. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

#46

I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

Many would use Surfaces with Linux. They are excellent hardware, albeit tricky to run Linux on as they include some exotic components for touch recognition and dreadful Marvell network adapters.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I believe it. I just abandoned Apple after years of loyalty. I looked hard at Surfaces and after considering them for a while I decided they weren't ready to be my main dev machine, so I went with a Thinkpad. But Microsoft is doing great stuff with its hardware lately.

I've been using Macs since 2008. My next machine will probably be a Thinkpad or a Dell. Apple has dropped the ball too many times now, both hardware and software vice. And somehow everything Apple does now feels stale and off mark.

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

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I can't believe anyone using macOS for their professional workflow would consider switching to Windows 10 despite all the criticism leveled at Apple's hardware (most of which I think is totally justified). I use Windows professionally (for .NET development) and I think Windows 10 is still light-years behind, with an unstable, jarring OS experience full of bugs and niggles and unloved and underdeveloped touch interfac…

On 4k hidpi monitor fonts and UI looks great. And you can run windows on Mac :)

Re: Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface than ever before

#49

I believe it. I just abandoned Apple after years of loyalty. I looked hard at Surfaces and after considering them for a while I decided they weren't ready to be my main dev machine, so I went with a Thinkpad. But Microsoft is doing great stuff with its hardware lately.

Mind if I ask what Thinkpad? And are you happy with it?

Highest end X1 Carbon, and yeah I absolutely love it.
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