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Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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That's true, but removing the profit motive of the facility removes one major incentive for coordinated, large scale corruption like this. Other incentives (like production-based compensation being gamed by unscrupulous individuals) will have to be dealt with in other ways.

So without profit, the operating metric will be what exactly?

Er...are you questioning the existential purposes of the non-profit sector in general, or just non-profit healthcare?

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…

If you haven't read the book or seen the movie I'd highly recommend "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", both are excellent.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but removing the profit motive of the facility removes one major incentive for coordinated, large scale corruption like this. Other incentives (like production-based compensation being gamed by unscrupulous individuals) will have to be dealt with in other ways.

So without profit, the operating metric will be what exactly?

In healthcare we have this amazing thing called "outcomes".

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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By the way let's not forget this is excellent investigative reportage by Buzzfeed who is using their clickbait revenues to do real journalism.

They've had several excellent investigative articles recently - the investigative group is headed by a pulitzer award winner.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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Why weren't criminal charges pressed? Why is nobody in jail? Holding people hostage is definitely illegal.

Because in the US (at least) if the victim won't press charges the police can't take action. And in a case like this the defence will attempt to attack the (alleged, at the time of the trial) victim's credibility, which can be devastating. It's the main reason why rapists so often get away with it. Also why gang members are hard to convict. Some crimes don't have a legal victim, e.g. murder (victim is dead) or so-cal…

That's not true. The decision about whether to press charges is up to the prosecutor. The prosecutor will often take the victim's wishes into account when deciding what to do, but they aren't required to.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but removing the profit motive of the facility removes one major incentive for coordinated, large scale corruption like this. Other incentives (like production-based compensation being gamed by unscrupulous individuals) will have to be dealt with in other ways.

So without profit, the operating metric will be what exactly?

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Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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This is a crime against humanity. The problem here is that we have a for profit company/hospital that is in charge of the well being of a human. This doesn't work & we need to stop this. No for profit company should be in charge of health care. It doesn't work, because profits are more important than helping people get better.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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> Lauren Singer, who worked for six months at the front desk of Colorado’s Highlands Behavioral, said people who were waiting in the lobby for an assessment would ask her what it would entail. “I would frequently get yelled at for overstepping my bounds and telling them too much about the evaluation process,” Singer said. A button behind the receptionist’s desk controlled the lock to the front door of the facility, a…

There can be pernicious motives whether a facility is nominally for profit or not. (For instance, say there is a doctor who gets paid in proportion to the time they spend treating patients at a non profit facility)

>There can be pernicious motives whether a facility is nominally for profit or not.

This is colloquially known as "whataboutism".

The fact that there are other pernicious motives is completely irrelevant. For-profit medicine constitutes a pernicious motive -- that's the point.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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"Current and former employees from at least 10 UHS hospitals in nine states said they were under pressure to fill beds by almost any method — which sometimes meant exaggerating people’s symptoms or twisting their words to make them seem suicidal — and to hold them until their insurance payments ran out." Don't worry, free-market ideologues will coolly tell you. Their logic will seem airtight: over time, if Intake's p…

Who are you referring to as free market ideologues? Many purport to be. An anarco-capitalist (an anti-rand) libertarian flavor) rejects involuntary commitment as a matter of dogma. So these institutions cannot exist, even if they are following the "law". Furthermore it is the state who has monopoly over violence that legitimizes this behavior (the history of physiology, involuntary commitment, and state violence is r…

Yeah, no kidding. We're talking about a situation where one party can coerce another into being a customer by kidnapping and imprisoning them. In what insane universe can you call that a "free market"?

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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So, I don't know that this is universally "a thing" but when I had a 3-5 hour break down in June I got in contact with the University of New Mexico's SHAC[1], I was registered but not yet taking a class and I think its open to the general public. They give you a little 10-15 minute "counseling triage" and then give you an appointment or whatever as they feel appropriate.

If you feel like you're in a bad place I encourage you to call your local university. Even if you aren't a student: schools are extremely used to dealing with people who don't know how to get started with the mental health (or any health) industry and they won't fucking kidnap you.

[1] http://shac.unm.edu/ they accept any one by the way. Please look for help if you feel like everything is awful, even if it's just finding some one to talk to.

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