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ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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Even assuming they can hit performance targets with this, which sounds hard but not impossible, what's the major use case? Continuum? Windows laptops with better battery life? Most win32 software is going to suck on a touch screen, so I'm not really seeing this help them in mobile.

Maybe this makes sense for a better continuum experience?

Phone mode = UWP touch apps

Docked continuum = Full desktop x86 apps (and UWP)

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/store/apps/windows "it still can't be used to download and install boring oldschool desktop applications" it can. https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/porting/desktop-to-uw...

Are you sure? Afaik you can convert most apps to UWP apps but they don't have the same rights and capabilities as the oldschool desktop apps. I don't exactly know what the limits are but I doubt stuff like Wireshark or f.lux could run as an UWP app.

You can now publish win32 binaries to the Windows Store, which run in a virtualized environment. They get the same rights as normal win32 exes because they _are_ exes.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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post #36

Download my great free Windows program now! Please choose: EXE installer 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM MSI installer 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM Portable Zip 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM (Download my great free macOS program now! Click here ) This is already a usability problem, and adding 2 more target chipsets makes it worse. Given both bandwidth and smart programmers, c…

Wasn't one of the points of the .NET Framework to make architecture independent apps? The CLR is compiled to the native instruction set, but apps are only compiled to IL and thus are dynamically recompiled to the native instruction set. So, ideally, you'd just have one download.

Yes. It is promoted strongly inside MS, however it seems it is not much used by them.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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1. I don't think it's going to explode the compatibility matrix... it seems to run unmodified x86 executables on ARM. They demo Photoshop running on a Qualcomm processor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U&feature=youtu.be 2. Existing "desktop app" authors can opt to package their app in a way that will make it possible to distribute through the Windows Store. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/por…

You can also run 32-bit apps on a 64-bit OS (also because of an emulation layer), but still people offer 64-bit downloads of programs. Why? Speed and memory. With ARM it'll be similar.

I hadn't considered that. I assumed this was only x86 desktop apps on ARM via emulation.

If they're going to let people build/distribute native ARM binaries for Windows 10... then I'm even more impressed. I guess I would've expected that to be mentioned though.

If this is the case, that would certainly invalidate my comment about the compatibility matrix. I guess in that scenario, I'd agree and hope that those folks are working on a "fat binary" or "universal binary" or something to aid with the potential confusion.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

#46
I am skeptical that the emulation can achieve reasonable speeds. I would like to see first that Qualcomm’s chips are even up to par with Intel's. Secondly, can a heavy duty Win32 app like iTunes or TurboTax or Photoshop could run reasonably fast via emulation, something that has historically been a problem.

I'll believe it when I see some benchmarks.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

#47

Download my great free Windows program now! Please choose: EXE installer 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM MSI installer 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM Portable Zip 32-bit x86 64-bit x64 32-bit ARM 64-bit ARM (Download my great free macOS program now! Click here ) This is already a usability problem, and adding 2 more target chipsets makes it worse. Given both bandwidth and smart programmers, c…

I encourage anyone who wants to know how to manage software transitions to watch Apple's presentations about Next, Rhapsody and OSX between 1997 and 2000. This was IMO a textbook example of how to move over a whole ecosystem to a more modern underpinning, even under very difficult circumstances (where Apple's leadership first had to think about how they can survive another year even).

Sounds intriguing, could you offer up a more detailed insight or a link? :-)

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

#48
People have been speculating for the past year if Apple could switch their Macs to ARM, and keep compatibility with a emulation layer like they did during the PowerPC->Intel transition. I guess Microsoft beat them to the point... Will be interesting to see how well it performs in real life.

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also run 32-bit apps on a 64-bit OS (also because of an emulation layer), but still people offer 64-bit downloads of programs. Why? Speed and memory. With ARM it'll be similar.

I hadn't considered that. I assumed this was only x86 desktop apps on ARM via emulation. If they're going to let people build/distribute native ARM binaries for Windows 10... then I'm even more impressed. I guess I would've expected that to be mentioned though. If this is the case, that would certainly invalidate my comment about the compatibility matrix. I guess in that scenario, I'd agree and hope that those folks…

> If they're going to let people build/distribute native ARM binaries for Windows 10

Hasn't that been possible since Windows RT?

Re: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs? Hell Yes

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post #34

I tried a surface pro as a replacement for an ipad, but I found it to be extremely frustrating. Beyond the bugs and blue screens, I found the battery life to be way shorter, and the surface to take a long time to wake up, not an instantaneous experience like an ipad, where you can forget it in a bag for 10h and use it straight away. More like a laptop. Would an ARM based windows device achieve an ipad style battery l…

which version of Surface Pro? 2 / 3 / 4 ?
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