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Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

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Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some risk averse people are following one rule: Do not carry any electronics at any border crossing. It's a hostile territory.

Indeed, from now on I will back up my phone to the cloud, wipe it before going over a border, then reinstalling after. It's the only sane thing to do.

lulz, you should assume the NSA has access to anything you store in the "cloud".

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

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I tried arguing this persons privacy yet I got highly downvoted on /r/canada, for points that I felt I couldn't refute, specifically that crossing a nations border is not a right but a privilege, and that most Western nations have similar POVs when it comes to the right for border officers to inspect laptops/phones.

I know that the ACLU and EFF have fought to defend Americans from having their laptops/phones inspected at the border, but I believe I read they haven't had much success in the legal system.

I still don't understand the rationale behind being able to inspect someones computer/mobile phone. Even in the case of say, possessing child pornography, I would assume most people are caught by tracked websites than random searches at the border?

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#43

Interestingly, even US citizens aren't exempted from this. Constitutional rights seemingly don't apply at the border.

And CBP considers the "border" as a 100-mile strip inland around borders and coastlines. https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

> Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population lives within the 100-mile zone

I knew it was a lot but I didn't guess two thirds. That makes it laughable.

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

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I'm so embarrassed how America treats people entering the U.S. It's the first experience foreigners have in our country, and we make it one of the worst experiences in the developed world. Industries that benefit from tourism should lobby the Federal Government to improve the travel experience to, from, and within the US. I personally would fly at least a few more times a year if the TSA/CBP process treated people wi…

It's usually a pretty grim experience even as a citizen reentering the US, but at least we're not required to give our fingerprints. I would never travel to a country which demanded that.

I don't know about your state, but a few years ago mine started requiring a full set of fingerprints for driver's license renewal.

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#45

Don't be fooled, Canadian border patrol proudly engages in this as well. I was recently driving across the border to Montreal on vacation when Canadian border agents, in addition to searching my car and personal belongings, demanded to see my cell phone and turn over the password. I simply asked why, since I didn't think I was doing anything suspicious, at which point the agent angrily responded "because I can and no…

> Don't be fooled I don't get it. Are you a journalist, too?

No I'm not. I am a 30 year old white guy traveling with my SO on vacation.

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some risk averse people are following one rule: Do not carry any electronics at any border crossing. It's a hostile territory.

Indeed, from now on I will back up my phone to the cloud, wipe it before going over a border, then reinstalling after. It's the only sane thing to do.

For that you would need to be able to fully trust your cloud storage provider, the ISPs used in transint to and from, the used encryption methods and last but not least: the baseband firmware of your phone.

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, from now on I will back up my phone to the cloud, wipe it before going over a border, then reinstalling after. It's the only sane thing to do.

lulz, you should assume the NSA has access to anything you store in the "cloud".

Okay but I encrypt locally first?

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#48

Don't be fooled, Canadian border patrol proudly engages in this as well. I was recently driving across the border to Montreal on vacation when Canadian border agents, in addition to searching my car and personal belongings, demanded to see my cell phone and turn over the password. I simply asked why, since I didn't think I was doing anything suspicious, at which point the agent angrily responded "because I can and no…

Some friends of mine were turned back at the border because they didn't make advance reservations for a hotel and therefore prove their trip really was legit.

Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

#49

Don't be fooled, Canadian border patrol proudly engages in this as well. I was recently driving across the border to Montreal on vacation when Canadian border agents, in addition to searching my car and personal belongings, demanded to see my cell phone and turn over the password. I simply asked why, since I didn't think I was doing anything suspicious, at which point the agent angrily responded "because I can and no…

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Re: Canadian journalist's detention at US border raises press freedom alarms

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Don't be fooled, Canadian border patrol proudly engages in this as well. I was recently driving across the border to Montreal on vacation when Canadian border agents, in addition to searching my car and personal belongings, demanded to see my cell phone and turn over the password. I simply asked why, since I didn't think I was doing anything suspicious, at which point the agent angrily responded "because I can and no…

> I asked what would happen if I didn't turn the password over and just went back home to the US, they told me they'd seize the device and put me in prison until they break into it.

I guess it depends on how much you care about your personal info or how sensitive your data is, but I wouldn't budge based on this. I'd say, "Okay, I want to talk to the American embassy," then wait it out.

Edit: To be clear, this would be my response without knowing anything about the relevant Canadian law — since I don't – because the statement sounds like a lie. LE lies all the time. Indefinite imprisonment of a random person? Nah. And breaking into a locked phone is actually very difficult — see Apple versus FBI.

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