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Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by vertex-four »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

Banning hate speech is, broadly, not equivalent to refusing to make a cake or give someone a room in a hotel. It's appalling that you'd even suggest that.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by psyc »

kiba wrote: post #11
jjawssd wrote: post #8

If Reddit can not handle free speech, Voat will. Once Voat is overrun by the enemies of free expression, someone else will take the helm and continue. Such is the nature of a free Internet.

Hacker News is already overran by "freedom haters". I don't see anyone fleeing for greener pasture.

HN's DNA is civil, professional discussion of the Silicon Valley based, VC-backed, millionaire-minting Ruby on Rails landing page creation industry. Users know what they're here for.

Reddit became popular as an irreverent place for free discussion of whatever. There's a big difference in expectation.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by Declanomous »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

Your poor understanding of the law is appalling.

Reddit isn't refusing to service people because of their ideology or background, they are limiting certain kinds of speech. A private organization is entirely allowed to limit certain kinds of speech.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by ceejayoz »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

> There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example.

Ideology isn't a protected class. Sexual orientation is, at least in some states.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by danielahn »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

Hating liberals isn't a protected class.

Regardless, you are not refusing anyone service - you are not banning people from your platform, you are designating your platform as something not be used for certain purposes.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by jjawssd »

MK999 wrote: post #36
kiba wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is already overran by "freedom haters". I don't see anyone fleeing for greener pasture.

Just a modern day book burning by the tolerant Left. Where's all those people around here that quote (the illogical expression) "I don't agree with you but I'll die for your right to say it" I guess that's just an bad faith argument to be used when convenient.

What's wrong with that? You aren't entitled to freedom of expression on any particular platform run by a private entity. Freedom of expression only applies to the government.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by jjawssd »

basch wrote: post #33
ideonexus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic that you've made this comment on HackerNews, a site, it can be argued, whose appeal comes from its pretty substantial moderation. I can't tell you how many links I've seen flagged and banished from HN that I thought were important, but... once I cooled down my outrage, I realized the conversations occurring on them were pretty toxic. I come to HN because of the focus and constructive dialogue. I stay away from…

I frequent hackernews and /r/askhistorians because of strong moderation. I support free speech. Communities being moderated are different than platforms being exclusive to certain communities. (I consider hackernews to be a community not a platform due to its strict focus.) I can choose which communities to ignore, lurk in and participate with. I dont support extinguishing communities I choose to ignore. You get what…

I think this is the most important comment in the whole thread.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by jeremysmyth »

xnemdncn wrote: post #32
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

>Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. Except it's not that simple. There's a substantial amount of judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example. It's appalling that you would even suggest that.

...judicial precedent that you can't refuse service to customers just because you disagree with their ideology or background, otherwise it would be okay to refuse service to supporters of gay marriage for example

Way overbroad interpretation. The Civil Rights Act prohibits refusal of some kinds of service based on race, color, religion or national origin, and it's pretty much the only national law (in the US) that's relevant here (I'm not counting the 14th amendment or more specific laws e.g. for disabilities).

Notably, there's no federal law protecting supporters of gay marriage. They're state-specific laws, and not at all universal.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by r_smart »

ideonexus wrote: post #24
jjawssd wrote: post #8

If Reddit can not handle free speech, Voat will. Once Voat is overrun by the enemies of free expression, someone else will take the helm and continue. Such is the nature of a free Internet.

Ironic that you've made this comment on HackerNews, a site, it can be argued, whose appeal comes from its pretty substantial moderation. I can't tell you how many links I've seen flagged and banished from HN that I thought were important, but... once I cooled down my outrage, I realized the conversations occurring on them were pretty toxic. I come to HN because of the focus and constructive dialogue. I stay away from…

I think for me the issue is that HN brands itself as being a particular kind of site, for a particular community. Reddit is basically a tool for communities to form and organize themselves. There's a pretty big difference between what the two platforms bill themselves as.
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