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Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is the significance of the insurance file hashes no longer matching the files?

None - they never did match the (encrypted) files. WL commented on this conspiracy theory earlier today, both saying Assange appreciates the concerns that he's dead, and saying that "obviously" the hashes are for decrypted files, not the encrypted ones: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/798997378552299521

Y : X is compromised.

X : X is not compromised.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that WikiLeaks' guiding philosophy as espoused in this article seems almost willfully naive.

What would you propose they do? Not leak documents based upon who the source is? If the documents are authentic, why does it matter who the source was? If A leaks documents on B revealing corruption about B, just because A's motives may not be pure, doesn't make B any less corrupt.

"Authentic" does not always equal "worth publishing", of course.

I have no problem with them publishing stuff that's legitimately concerning. But a lot of the Clinton leaks (and I'm no Clinton fan) seemed to me like little more than doxxing, in the full knowledge that the emails would pick up a tinge of scandal by association simply because they showed up on WikiLeaks.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wikileaks released information the timing of which was clearly meant to influence the US elections in a very particular way. Secondly, Assange issued statements clearly indicating his intentions to harm Clinton, not promote transparency. Why would the NYT publish this obvious garbage without counterpoint?

We're living in strange days, and it's only gonna get weirder. NPR aired a pull your punches interview with a white supremacist today, the New York Times is publishing doublespeak missives from what increasingly appears to be either the useful idiots or willing collaborators of Russian intelligence services. It's like Trump malware has turned the mainstream media into a spam-serving botnet for a league of fascists.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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It seems pretty obvious that WikiLeaks has been compromised - is anyone buying this defense? And more importantly, who/what will replace WikiLeaks?

I feel like I'm out of the loop. When was wikileaks compromised? I've passively followed their work over the years, but I've tried to tune out most of the internet the past couple months.

There hasn't been a proof-of-life from Julian himself in some time, and there was recently insurance files released that didn't have matching hashes.

No hard evidence, but it is worrying, especially when there are so many parties that would benefit from wikileak's infiltration/de-legitimization.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Wikileaks has released some important things, but they should be embarrassed that they thought the personal emails of Hillary's campaign staff saying sometimes silly things to each other was at all newsworthy. It was sensational, sure, but it revealed nothing important or even interesting. Anyone who spends a moment considering the question would expect campaign operatives to gripe about their opponents in over the t…

It's really bizarre how your comment has made it to the top of this thread, considering that it seems that the prevailing opinion here on HN is supportive of wikileaks. Your claim that the leaks are not newsworthy is absurd in the extreme, and your judgement is in question. There are hundreds of items of greater interest and importance in those mails than in a good portion of news stories published by most major news…

The sentiment seems to have switched ever since they released any democrats material. It's the result of the two party system, where "if this isn't helping my party it must be because you are against me" thinking trumps any logical thought.

I don't care for either color of political party, so I can appreciate cryptographically authenticated information leaks for what they are.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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"Some have accused us of being pawns of the Russian government, but this misrepresents our principles and basic operations. ...We prefer not to know who our sources are; we do not want to.." So they prefer to be unwitting pawns? Transparency is great, freedom of information is great, but is there some point at which you have to step back and acknowledge that you're being used by a foreign power? Doesn't that undermin…

I believe strongly in transparency as a way to prevent corruption, but spreading misinformation doesn't stop corruption, it furthers it. It doesn't 'shine a light', it creates shadows where a brutal dictator can hide while he hurts others. Look up "useful idiots" to understand the role they played. It's too easy to cite principle such as "transparency" in order to ignore the difficult questions of responsibility and…

The linked article claims that WikiLeaks does "research, validate and contextualize the submissions we receive".

Of course, this process is conducted with an odd lack of transparency.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Wikileaks has released some important things, but they should be embarrassed that they thought the personal emails of Hillary's campaign staff saying sometimes silly things to each other was at all newsworthy. It was sensational, sure, but it revealed nothing important or even interesting. Anyone who spends a moment considering the question would expect campaign operatives to gripe about their opponents in over the t…

Regardless of how (in)significant you think the material they release is, there's no such thing as too much transparency.

> there's no such thing as too much transparency

Should military plans be transparent? Your private health records? Rape victims' names? Should the President be able to receive confidential advice - if not, they may receive much less good advice and make worse decisions.

EDIT: Reworded it to remove the hyperbole

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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The world may or may not need something that serves the same function as WikiLeaks, but it certainly does not need WikiLeaks specifically, not anymore.

I'm sick of Julian Assange. I don't think he's a rapist, but based on what I've read, he certainly is a self-aggrandizing opportunistic asshole.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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"Some have accused us of being pawns of the Russian government, but this misrepresents our principles and basic operations. ...We prefer not to know who our sources are; we do not want to.." So they prefer to be unwitting pawns? Transparency is great, freedom of information is great, but is there some point at which you have to step back and acknowledge that you're being used by a foreign power? Doesn't that undermin…

> So they prefer to be unwitting pawns?

Yes, just as journalists often are when someone comes forward with a story or leaks information, etc.

By not making the sort of editorial decisions that would slant the meaning of the leaked data, WL stays above that. Other journalists are free to dig deeper and write full-scale investigative stories based on the data.

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