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Yeah, but proof that (Beyond the 10% pre-mine) more ZEC are not being secretly generated for the creators relies upon trust in a cabal of six individuals based upon a "public" exhibition of genesis involving theatrical destruction of computers (whose video was supposed to be published but I can't find?) Even if they are 100% legitimate actors, the lack of absolute proof undermines the provenance. From my perspective,…
The trusted setup only requires one person to not collude. Given how skeptical Peter Todd has been about this entire business, I'd be t that at the very minimum he was honest in his role.
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#42Author here. Seeing some of the discussion go down on Twitter, I feel maybe I should explain further the "white supremacist" example in the post. (one tweet at me: "So now you can hide the fact that white supremacists are sending you money? F!@#ing weird example.") When I shared a draft post with some friends, a lot of them had an ah-ha moment, so I was hoping for the same from others. I was trying to illustrate 2 pr…
Re: Keybase chooses Zcash
#43I recommend supporting Zclassic also ( http://Zclassic.org ) It's the same exact code as Zcash except there is no 20% "genius" tax for 4 years. It's the fair choice and even has the blessing of Zcash developer Zooko.
If Zclassic existed, why didn't Keybase go with this instead!!!
Personally I find the whole idea of zclassic a bit disappointing. Some people spent a lot of time and effort on to something which cost a lot of money. They're giving it away for free and people have a problem with them making money off it.
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#44I recommend supporting Zclassic also ( http://Zclassic.org ) It's the same exact code as Zcash except there is no 20% "genius" tax for 4 years. It's the fair choice and even has the blessing of Zcash developer Zooko.
Of all the qualms I have with Zcash, I think that their mining fee is one of the cleaner ways in the ecosystem to fund altcoin development. This technology takes a lot of effort, and a lot of salary money to develop. And then you have to do marketing, PR, bizdev, etc.
re: qualms:
- trusted setup makes me uneasy - could have picked more than 5 people for signing party - cryptography is really scary - lots of assumptions, lots of things that haven't really stood the test of time or the examination of experts - equihash was a poor decision, and a confusing one given that it's pretty well understood that complex hashing functions are counterproductive (and we've seen this play out already for Zcash, things are just getting started) - The 'slow start mining' was also a really bad idea, and I would almost suggest that it's abusive to the community. More than $100,000 of trade volume happened over Zcash at prices that are 1000x the current price of Zcash. It should have been easy to understand that this would happen.
Mostly, I would urge people not to use Zcash for situations that require real anonymity. E.g. wikileaks accepting donations, or routing around captial controls in oppressive countries. And this is because I do not believe that the cryptography will hold up. There's too much of it, it's too new, and it's too interesting (e.g. a lot of aspiring undergrads and grads are looking to make their mark on the world, and breaking Zcash would be a great way to do that). I believe that your privacy will be compromised retroactively, and not due to bugs but due to actual cryptographic breaks. And then you're back to the Bitcoin network where everyone can see everything, and you're vulnerable.
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#45Author here. Seeing some of the discussion go down on Twitter, I feel maybe I should explain further the "white supremacist" example in the post. (one tweet at me: "So now you can hide the fact that white supremacists are sending you money? F!@#ing weird example.") When I shared a draft post with some friends, a lot of them had an ah-ha moment, so I was hoping for the same from others. I was trying to illustrate 2 pr…
Just as a data point, I found the example perfectly clear, although I do wish you had added Monero instead of Zcash, just because it looks more legitimate to my uninformed eyes.
I'm not saying it is, but Monero came out far earlier than Zcash, and unless there is a substantial argument for using it over Monero, I'm not convinced of the argument to standardize on it. The only striking difference I can see between Monero and Zcash is that Zcash was premined by investors.
I just did some digging and also found this: http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/83/how-does-monero...
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#46Consider that after by end of this month there will be 200,000 ZEC released following every month with 20% going to the founder's coffers after 4 years. Extreme inflation will continue sending prices crashing. Recall early this month prices were hovering around 2 Ferrari 458 and now it's tanked to under a 100 dollars. If we were to assume that in 48 months X 200,000 ZEC = ~100,000,000 ZEC with 20,000,000 ZEC belongin…
Prices were very high on day one due to an extremely limited supply and a lot of (warranted) attention. They've since normalized.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trusted setup only requires one person to not collude. Given how skeptical Peter Todd has been about this entire business, I'd be t that at the very minimum he was honest in his role.
As someone entirely unfamiliar, why only six? If the weakness is all of them colluding, then wouldn't adding anybody in the world (let's say, me) as a seventh make it strictly better?
The protocol is expensive; it took 2 days with 6 people. After a certain point, it's not practical to add more participants without increasing risk. It requires gigabytes worth of communication per participant and many millions of curve operations.
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If I could come up with something better, they would have done that. Absence of a better solution does not imply any fitness of the proposed solution. Until such time that someone comes up with a better idea, I am sticking to public blockchains.
> If I could come up with something better, they would have done that. Don't give up so easily! If you're going to make a stance borne out of principle, why not follow through to outperform the suboptimal solution that you dislike so much? Innovate. Put some skin in the game. That's what I would do, anyway. As it stands: If any of the folks involved in the trusted setup was honest, then it's secure. It takes a 100% c…
Re: Keybase chooses Zcash
#49I recommend supporting Zclassic also ( http://Zclassic.org ) It's the same exact code as Zcash except there is no 20% "genius" tax for 4 years. It's the fair choice and even has the blessing of Zcash developer Zooko.
I think it's worth paying the "genius" tax. Though controversial, the tax manifests in the form of inflation and will help fund a company that can get things running and stable. Of all the qualms I have with Zcash, I think that their mining fee is one of the cleaner ways in the ecosystem to fund altcoin development. This technology takes a lot of effort, and a lot of salary money to develop. And then you have to do m…
I think it was six people: https://github.com/zcash/mpc/blob/master/README.md
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If I could come up with something better, they would have done that. Don't give up so easily! If you're going to make a stance borne out of principle, why not follow through to outperform the suboptimal solution that you dislike so much? Innovate. Put some skin in the game. That's what I would do, anyway. As it stands: If any of the folks involved in the trusted setup was honest, then it's secure. It takes a 100% c…
Why such a small group of people though?