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iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#41
It has to get from one device to another somehow, right?

There's total[0] privacy and then there's degrees of privacy and convenience. You can't have total privacy and total convenience. At least not presently.

[0] Total is one of those words like 'always' and 'never' that people should try and avoid. Myself included.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#42
Some other items that get synced through iCloud are phone numbers and emails of people you text, or send email to, even if they are not in your address book. Searches you put into Maps are also synced this way as far as I know.

Most of this data can be viewed on a macOS if you are signed in with the same iCloud account. It is stored in plist-files in a special folder called "SyncedPreferences".

~/Library/SyncedPreferences ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.corerecents.recentsd/Data/Library/SyncedPreferences

It has bothered me for a long time that there is no way to disable call log, text and email recipients syncing in preferences. While I can see how users might find this feature useful, it should be made more obvious what is actually happening when you sign into iCloud.

And by the way, disabling iCloud Drive does not disable the syncing of "SyncedPreferences".

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he's referring the flip phone, and not the Droid Razr, then we're talking about a phone that had a standby time measured in weeks. At best it lasts probably 10x longer than today's smartphones so even a 75% reduction in battery life is still better than what we deal with today.

It's amazing how long a battery can last when it's connected to a device that doesn't do anything. Have you ever measured the battery life of a battery still in the package? It's amazing, standby time is like years.

Some people still want their phone to (1) make phone calls (2) make phone calls. For them a phone that makes phone calls and the battery lasts a week is far more full featured.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#44
post #9

> Apple's Reply: >> Device data is encrypted with a user’s passcode, and access to iCloud data including backups requires the user’s Apple ID and password. Can't Apple ID password be reset? If so, how can it be a true encryption?

But everything on the iCloud can be obtained by the government and the law enforcement agencies. Right? (I don't care much, but apparently one of the reasons many people use iPhones instead of Android phones is that their data is perceived to be protected from the government, so might be important for them - and Apple does have a history of giving the iCloud data to them).

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been talking about shutting down "fake news" outlets in recent days, but The Intercept matches many of the criteria that they have been discussing so far. -TI is new -TI is small -TI primarily publishes content that makes politicians look bad -TI relies on word of mouth through social media You're really playing with fire if you think it's a good idea to let other people classify things as "real" and "fak…

Aren't people talking about shutting down outlets that just make shit up? I hadn't realized they were going after outlets on things like age and size and editorial focus.

If you don't see the point of the former, you become convinced of the latter.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#46
post #9

> Apple's Reply: >> Device data is encrypted with a user’s passcode, and access to iCloud data including backups requires the user’s Apple ID and password. Can't Apple ID password be reset? If so, how can it be a true encryption?

But everything on the iCloud can be obtained by the government and the law enforcement agencies. Right? (I don't care much, but apparently one of the reasons many people use iPhones instead of Android phones is that their data is perceived to be protected from the government, so might be important for them - and Apple does have a history of giving the iCloud data to them).

No.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been talking about shutting down "fake news" outlets in recent days, but The Intercept matches many of the criteria that they have been discussing so far. -TI is new -TI is small -TI primarily publishes content that makes politicians look bad -TI relies on word of mouth through social media You're really playing with fire if you think it's a good idea to let other people classify things as "real" and "fak…

Given that one of its founding journalists, Glenn Greenwald, is a pulitzer prize winner, and that the site has published many stories on one of the most significant news topics of the decade (the Snowden revelations), I don't think anyone could reasonably place it in the same category as the fake news sites that have been talked about recently. > You're really playing with fire if you think it's a good idea to let ot…

> Most people consider CNN, BBC, The Guardian, New York Times etc. to be credible news sources

Fewer than used to.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-rema...

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#48
post #34

i'm still using my trusty motorolla razr

With the in-built BREW environment and the SIM "capabilities", it's probably a lot less "trusty" than an iPhone -- especially an iPhone with iCloud turned off. More luddite doesn't always mean more secure.

In what ways is BREW secure and insecure?

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#49

I'm not sure how this is "secret". If you're using iCloud on your mac and your iPhone, and open up Facetime on the former, you'll see a call list (including regular phone calls, not just facetime). I agree it's undesirable that call history is sent to Apple - but it's pretty easy to notice if you use facetime across devices that the call history is synced.

Why undesirable? I found call log sync quite useful.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#50

The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. So the probably-good-enough-for-most-folks way to deal with this is to just delete calls from your log that you don't want to get archived in iCloud for 4 months. The sure way is to disable iCloud entirely, but that reduces convenience in all sorts of ways (syncing iTunes music, for instance). The…

> The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud.

I highly doubt that it is a hard deletion of data. My guess is that it would be a soft delete, so your call log won't show up on your iPhone, but the data will be retained on Apple's servers.

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