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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by vinay427 »

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

I don't think you should claim he said that without inserting the actual quote in the interest of accuracy:

> Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.

Source: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

In the context, I believe he's claiming that women voting resulted in a distancing from libertarian values, which he disagrees with ideologically. There's a significant difference between that and claiming that "giving women the vote was a bad thing."

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ubernostrum »

darawk wrote: post #34
untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

No he didn't. He suggested, correctly, that women getting the vote was bad for libertarians, because women vote against it. If you read the quote in context, that is very clearly what he's saying.

In context his suggestion is that women being allowed to vote is incompatible with enacting his ideal philosophy of government. Which in turn implies that the only way to implement his ideal philosophy of government would be to deny women the right to vote.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by etrautmann »

vinay427 wrote: post #41
untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

I don't think you should claim he said that without inserting the actual quote in the interest of accuracy: > Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. Source: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... In…

from the article: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible. "

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by untog »

darawk wrote: post #34
untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

No he didn't. He suggested, correctly, that women getting the vote was bad for libertarians, because women vote against it. If you read the quote in context, that is very clearly what he's saying.

Edit: conversation was flagged, so I'm out.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by roywiggins »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #35
user837387 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame the people who voted for Trump for making him President. After all, we are all adults here, and although Trump never accepts any responsibility for his actions I think that the Trump supporters accept that they voted for him. So yeah, blaming the Democrats for the…

Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote aga…

More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Klockan »

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

Seems like he said that giving women the vote moved politics further to the left and thus was bad for capitalism, not that it was a bad thing in general.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by MichaelGG »

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

Did he? Or did he point out that women vote against libertarian values so it's a bad thing for getting those values?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by jerf »

_pius wrote: post #9
jerf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's a great plan for YC. Go up to the next President of the United States and stick their finger in his eye. That'll really show him. That'll Win Friends and Influence People. Can't possibly harm their startups, either, to stick a finger in the President's eye like that. I'm sure they never want to fund a startup ever again that might interact with the Federal government in any way.

Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

Yes, you went Godwin. Trump isn't Hitler. That's election propaganda, not truth. Election's over. Time to put the election propaganda away.

Now, you might still not like him. Heck, let me take a bold step and say you won't like him. He will do things you won't like. Welcome to the real world. My government's been doing things I don't like my entire life. (Along with all the things I do like.) But I rate the odds that he's going to ethnically cleanse the US at "as close to 0 as I can mathematically get".

In the event that he really does turn into Hitler, I promise to stand up to stop him along with all the other people who will. I'm not too worried about having to follow through on that, though.

(If you want to talk about which candidates tend to murder their way out of problems... well... I'll freely admit to not having proof but Trump wasn't the one I was worried about that.)

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