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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

vertex-four wrote: post #38
Wellshit wrote: post #33

I, as a 6" 3' that identifies as a straight non-binary queer Tuvaluan pink unicorn with two horns and a permanent rainbow above my head, and with a slightly left leaning penis with 3 white hairs on my face and with shoe size 9 whose name begins with Hor and with an ID that end in 237 feel totally discriminated by the fact that there never was a president/multibillionaire with these characteristics. I offer myself to…

That is not the issue and you know it. Hillary could've been almost literally anyone else on the Democrat side and Trump would still have been an incredibly bad outcome for minorities. Many of Hillary's "supporters" - and definitely 80% of people panicking on Twitter - are in fact just terrified of Trump.

Those kinds of people are afraid of anything that resembles what was once called "normalcy".

Get your effin' genitalia and neurosis out of politics please.

There's people dying all over the world because you want to sell iPhones. And you keep discussing this crazy concept of safe spaces.

God, thank you so much for placing me on the other side of the pond.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

Wellshit wrote: post #41
vertex-four wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not the issue and you know it. Hillary could've been almost literally anyone else on the Democrat side and Trump would still have been an incredibly bad outcome for minorities. Many of Hillary's "supporters" - and definitely 80% of people panicking on Twitter - are in fact just terrified of Trump.

Those kinds of people are afraid of anything that resembles what was once called "normalcy". Get your effin' genitalia and neurosis out of politics please. There's people dying all over the world because you want to sell iPhones. And you keep discussing this crazy concept of safe spaces. God, thank you so much for placing me on the other side of the pond.

Trump wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Pence wants conversion therapy for LGBTQ people. How about you get your fucked up politics away from my body?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

drusepth wrote: post #29
moyta wrote: post #2

I was in Michigan just after caucusing for Bernie at home, and the sheer amount of people for Bernie or bust among the White, Asian & Black communities was palpable. 10 million less people turned out to vote compared to 2008, and those were nearly exclusively 10 million Obama voters. Voters like this African American gal I met in eastern Michigan who did not vote after Bernie lost, or that of this great group of youn…

>10 million less people turned out to vote compared to 2008, and those were nearly exclusively 10 million Obama voters. This is crazy. Neither Hillary nor Trump even received as many votes as John McCain did back in 2008 (60M) [1], who still lost to Obama by another 10 million votes. It's crazy to actually see how many fewer people voted this election compared to the past two, for whatever reasons. [1] https://lh3.go…

Given two of the worst presidential candidates in recent history compared to 2008 when you had two great candidates (and I say this as a hardcore leftist), it's not that surprising people stayed home.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

yolesaber wrote: post #40
Wellshit wrote: post #33

I, as a 6" 3' that identifies as a straight non-binary queer Tuvaluan pink unicorn with two horns and a permanent rainbow above my head, and with a slightly left leaning penis with 3 white hairs on my face and with shoe size 9 whose name begins with Hor and with an ID that end in 237 feel totally discriminated by the fact that there never was a president/multibillionaire with these characteristics. I offer myself to…

Yesterday I was called a faggot for the first time in over five years. It was by a guy in a MAGA hat. There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. You joke, but it's a serious fucking problem when violent white nationalists feel emboldened by their bully president.

I was called all variants of that several times on my lifetime. Also Ramallah and all kinds of names. And I'm completely straight European up to (at least) 6 generations ago. So what?

Hate crimes are still a thing. Violence is still a crime. How's that different from BLM feeling emboldened from whatever emboldens them?

The guy wants conversion therapy, I want a billion dollars, you want safe spaces. Not everyone gets what they want. Deal.With.It.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by ilolu »

yolesaber wrote: post #39
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

Hillary was definitely an incredibly weak and flawed candidate. I'm of the opinion that Sanders would've walloped Trump. But I do have some input regarding the racial dimension of things... >I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and racism. I see a campaign that ran on hate and…

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety.

What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling them, you are basically discriminating them and pushing them further away.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Joeboy »

yolesaber wrote: post #40
Wellshit wrote: post #33

I, as a 6" 3' that identifies as a straight non-binary queer Tuvaluan pink unicorn with two horns and a permanent rainbow above my head, and with a slightly left leaning penis with 3 white hairs on my face and with shoe size 9 whose name begins with Hor and with an ID that end in 237 feel totally discriminated by the fact that there never was a president/multibillionaire with these characteristics. I offer myself to…

Yesterday I was called a faggot for the first time in over five years. It was by a guy in a MAGA hat. There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. You joke, but it's a serious fucking problem when violent white nationalists feel emboldened by their bully president.

> There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly.

Maybe I'm a naive British guy, but aren't those more likely to be an anti-Trump statement?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by crispyambulance »

LeanderK wrote: post #5

I immediately stop reading when i see sentences like "The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING". This is stupid and i don't trust the author anymore. It's a huge red flag. Did the NYTimes ever openly lie (That's not publishing false information)? I only read it for american/international news, but they always seemed very trustworthy and many trustworthy people declared it trustworthy (the guardian and my favourite newsp…

Yep, hindsight is 20/20, and now people are going to come out of the woodwork explain how "inevitable" a Trump victory was.

The fact is there was always a margin for error and probabilities involved here. Clinton having an 89% chance of winning did not predict a victory. Also, we obviously don't have a model for how many democrats are going to sit on their asses and not vote in any given election.

Looking back, the thing that signaled something weird was going on was the fact that Trump could say literally any offensive dumb-ass idea, roil the media and all his opponents, and come out unscathed or even stronger. He did this a dozen times or more throughout the campaign. I suspect that really understanding that dynamic will explain how Trump won.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by moyta »

yolesaber wrote: post #42
Wellshit wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those kinds of people are afraid of anything that resembles what was once called "normalcy". Get your effin' genitalia and neurosis out of politics please. There's people dying all over the world because you want to sell iPhones. And you keep discussing this crazy concept of safe spaces. God, thank you so much for placing me on the other side of the pond.

Trump wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Pence wants conversion therapy for LGBTQ people. How about you get your fucked up politics away from my body?

Why do these conservatives want to legislate people's bodies in the first place, it seems highly unAmerican to me & screams of a nanny state like the USSR. If I want to fuck guys or gals or dress like a he, she or a schlee that should be none of the government's business. It affects no one else, and legislating people's private lives is just a great way to destroy American families and waste taxpayer money.

I also believe this needs to extend to substances used by people, if my grandmother wants some OxyContin for recreational use, let her have at it, there ain't no good reason to deny a ninety year old woman or anyone the right to eat, drink or smoke whatever they want so long as it is not negatively impacting others.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by ilolu »

allengeorge wrote: post #32
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

While I'm sure that sexism and racism does play a role for some voters, I believe (anecdotally, without data-based evidence) that its influence is overstated. Commentators who simply point to those factors are demonizing the "other" and perversely, are making it even harder to achieve consensus on issues. After all, how can you respect your opponent if they're sexist or racist? That aside, broadly, Hillary lost becau…

I am from India and I have seen middle class people talking about sexism, racism as major points while discussing candidates.

But when people are worried about leading a respectful life and make the future of their children safer, you cannot expect them to vote on sexism and racism as major topics in an election. You need to sell them a future.

And Trump sold them a future with "Make America Great Again". And Bernie was also selling people a future where corporations don't decide ur life. Hillary was basically telling America is great already. Think of people who are anxious economically hearing that.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

Joeboy wrote: post #46
yolesaber wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday I was called a faggot for the first time in over five years. It was by a guy in a MAGA hat. There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. You joke, but it's a serious fucking problem when violent white nationalists feel emboldened by their bully president.

> There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. Maybe I'm a naive British guy, but aren't those more likely to be an anti-Trump statement?

Unfortunately, Trump is extremely popular with white nationalists so no, these are actual nazis. Pretty gross.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html?mobi...

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