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DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by strictnein »

saucetenuto wrote: post #27
EugeneOZ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Why russians? We actually neighbors (40 minutes from my home to Finland), we like them and we prefer to be friends with them. 2. Everybody can be smart after the case :) I'm sure now the'll design something more safe.

> we like them and we prefer to be friends with them. How true is this? Every Finnish person I've ever met has mistrusted and feared Russia.

Worked for a Finnish company and I concur.

They frequently bring up how they beat the Germans and the Russians in WW2. And how Finnish vodka is the best. And how it sucks that the world's most popular sauna heater is made in Sweden, because Finnish sauna heaters are superior.

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by reitanqild »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #24
mrweasel wrote: post #17

Regardless of the reason, deliberate targetting, accidental "drive by DDoS" or bad configuration, the question that remains is "Why is the heating dependent on being online?" It is completely reasonable if the heat system every so often "phones home", so report on usage, but it shouldn't actually stop working, if the network connection isn't available. You can blame, DDoS, hackers, network outages, the Russians, I do…

1. Why russians? We actually neighbors (40 minutes from my home to Finland), we like them and we prefer to be friends with them. 2. Everybody can be smart after the case :) I'm sure now the'll design something more safe.

Agree. Some say Russia is the only neighbouring country Norway hasn't been at war with, although I cannot think of a time when we ever fought against the Finnish either.

That said, no reason not to be careful after what has happened in Ukraine etc we should of course be careful: Russia can wipe out half of Norway just by turning around while they sleep.

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by [deleted] »

ohyes wrote: post #21
ComteDeLaFere wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is controversial. Boilers have an on/off switch, and when your company manages a large number of buildings, you automate and centralize on/off for efficiency's sake, no?

No, you generally have a a control device on site. You probably also have some backup/safeguards in place in case the controller fails. In essential systems you have to build for robustness over efficiency.

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Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by SixSigma »

nommon wrote: post #33
SixSigma wrote: post #16

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I'm calling: Local newspaper, written in English by Finnish speaking Finns who are not computer specialists.

You should meet some Finns. They generally speak excellent English.

Perkele !!

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by ivan_gammel »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #39
ivan_gammel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A day after election 5 of Top 10 Russian banks were DDOSed by some IoT botnet. "Coincidence? I don't think so".

You don't understand difference between local hackers and government-paid hackers.

I do understand it, of course. Regarding "coincidence", it was a kind of joke - a quote from top Russian propagandist Kiselev. ;)

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by geoka9 »

reitanqild wrote: post #42
EugeneOZ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Why russians? We actually neighbors (40 minutes from my home to Finland), we like them and we prefer to be friends with them. 2. Everybody can be smart after the case :) I'm sure now the'll design something more safe.

Agree. Some say Russia is the only neighbouring country Norway hasn't been at war with, although I cannot think of a time when we ever fought against the Finnish either. That said, no reason not to be careful after what has happened in Ukraine etc we should of course be careful: Russia can wipe out half of Norway just by turning around while they sleep.

You guys were lucky Russia didn't roll over Finland in 1939. You'd probably be next in line, right after Sweden.

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by geoka9 »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #38
zzzcpan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is like the only enemy Finland has at this point, it doesn't matter whether you, personally, like them or not.

Bullshit. Do not read Soviet newspapers until dinner. It's not "just me". Looks like you get your information from news portals which nobody read in Russia because they are owned by government.

The Russian military has been skirting/violating the Finnish airspace lately. It's in the (Western) news.

Re: DDoS attack halts heating in Finland amidst winter

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Post by reitanqild »

geoka9 wrote: post #48
reitanqild wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. Some say Russia is the only neighbouring country Norway hasn't been at war with, although I cannot think of a time when we ever fought against the Finnish either. That said, no reason not to be careful after what has happened in Ukraine etc we should of course be careful: Russia can wipe out half of Norway just by turning around while they sleep.

You guys were lucky Russia didn't roll over Finland in 1939. You'd probably be next in line, right after Sweden.

Maybe yes.

That's why we try to be friends and we continue to be part of NATO

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