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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lordCarbonFiber » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:01 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

What does "socially conservative" mean in 2016 if not racist/sexist/homophobic? One of Trump's slogans was "Take America back"; that's not particularly subtle as to from who.

The line gets a bit muddier on the fiscal side. If you're all for cutting programs that disproportionately support the poor and the poor happen to be disproportionately minority is there a racial component? That's worth being aware of.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:01 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #13

dang wrote: post #2

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I'm curious, why is that just two thousand comments would bog down the server? What kind of processing is done by the server to render a thread?

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by yolesaber » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:02 PM UTC

I'd argue you are clueless. Trump has been sued several times for the discrimination against black people, he fired black people from his casinos and moved them to the back, he INSISTS TO THIS DAY that the Central Park Five are guilty despite DNA evidence, he jokes and also brags about literally molesting women.

People like you disgust me. Stop acting like his words and actions don't matter.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dopamean » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:02 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mhurron » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #30

mhurron wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does any of this mean? Trump is labeled racist, sexist and misogynistic because of his words and actions. As are most people. And lots of people saw a Trump presidency as a possibility, like, everyone paying attention to the fact that there was a Republican presidential runner, and that person was Trump.

I'd argue he's none of those things.

I would like to see you try.

And I mean that with no sarcasm. I would genuinely like to see you make the case that he is not racist, sexist and/or misogynistic.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by yomly » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

qntty wrote: post #19

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

Diversity means including people in out-groups at the risk of alienating people in the in-group

But one of the main "in-groups" of the Trump supporter base were the working class. In its current form "diversity" is nothing more than a weapon for classism.

We are completely fine understanding root causes and bias which may underlie racial or gender based observations, but conveniently turn a blind eye to well-studied drivers for phenomena like nativism.

A lot of the current form of diversity against the disenfranchised "in-group" amounts to "you're f'd for being poor and FU again for being unhappy about being poor".

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by moultano » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

antidaily wrote: post #40

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Working poor voting HRC: http://i.imgur.com/RAaGDnW.jpg Dems across the board stayed home. And 9% of registered Dems voted for Trump.

That's a red herring. The white working poor voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

It's a complex issue. Anecdotally some Obama voters broke for Trump, so it's hard to see them being 'racist'. But people like to discount the hurt in the working class and are happy to label them racist --just because this time they didn't agree with you.

My thoughts on some of it is that while the white working class (as well as the black working class) are happy to see America help others out, internationally, domestically; they are not happy to see America help others out but at the same time ignore them and belittle them. That can be in trade deals, acquiescing to illegal immigrants, talking down to them, etc. There are likely a sprinkling of racists on the Trump side, but I dare say, there is the same likelihood of reverse racists on the Clinton side ['white people are the devil'].

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by gragas » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:04 PM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #18

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

Don't blame your election of a demagogue on liberals. Take responsibility for that yourself. Own it.

Sure! I can proudly say I voted for Donald J Trump.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by c0nducktr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:04 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #30

mhurron wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does any of this mean? Trump is labeled racist, sexist and misogynistic because of his words and actions. As are most people. And lots of people saw a Trump presidency as a possibility, like, everyone paying attention to the fact that there was a Republican presidential runner, and that person was Trump.

I'd argue he's none of those things.

Let's here it then.