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Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by grzm »

tekklloneer wrote: post #7

While I appreciate USB-C, it's still too early to go USB-C only, especially on a "professional" laptop. And, the transition to lightning headphones is a glaring example of the left hand SOMEHOW not being aware of what the right hand is doing. Plus, the touch bar sucks. Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool.

"it's still too early to go USB-C only"

It does seem odd to have only one kind of port. That said, you can also look at it as "you only need one kind of port". No need to mix and match adapters. Just X to TB3.

As for too early, it's a chicken-egg thing. Someone is going to be early to market, and the market needs pressure to make the change.

"Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool."

I agree that force touch would be great. I think this is an iteration thing that we'll see in the future.

As for indentations, yeah, it would be nice to have something to know where one key ends and the next begins. It does limit flexibility though. And it's also a screen, not just a keyboard. Not sure how the indentations would work with the display.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by SysArchitect »

0x0 wrote: post #37
masklinn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.

Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960. Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!! This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.

US sales taxes vary depending on state. There is no direct comparison.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by MBCook »

SysArchitect wrote: post #39

As a professional software dev/system architect using MacBook Pro's, I am excited about the new MacBook Pro. I'll miss the SD card for my amateur photography, but I'll live. It's still got the 3.5mm for my headphones, with USB-C hopefully daisy chaining non Apple displays will finally become a reality, and thankfully my work has upgraded to using wireless technology for displaying screens in conference rooms (which w…

I was kind of hoping for an iMac update too. Not anything important, but move it to USB-C so it's in line.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by RankingMember »

masklinn wrote: post #20
beaner wrote: post #12

I think there are a lot of legit complaints about the new announcements and lack of improvements, but this post seems pretty weak. Fn keys aren't really gone, they're just present in another form (the touch bar). The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports, and just plugs into the new one. Sure, a little annoying, but it doesn't exactly kill your workflow.

> The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports And the keikaku[0] is quite obviously to provide incentive for accessory manufacturers to build type-c native stuff, and eventually have an all-type-c ecosystem and little to no need for "dongles" (which incidentally should mostly be basic cables) [0] keikaku means plan

I think they're screwing with the kwijibo[0] too much and will end up with a professional user base that won't be large enough in number for accessory manufacturers to care.

[0] kwijibo means product

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by masklinn »

0x0 wrote: post #37
masklinn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.

Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960. Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!! This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.

> Also sales tax isn't dishonest.

I didn't say sales tax was dishonest, I said converting back a tax included price into USD was, and explained why. Aside from US sales tax being much lower than european ones (as low as 0%) US prices are pretty much always displayed without taxes, so you're making the machine look 20% more expensive than it actually is as far as american viewers understand it. A fair quote would have been to provide the regular USD price ($4300 maxxed out, or $3500 for 1TB).

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by intrasight »

If your a professional using your computer all day, then you shouldn't be using the crappy built-in keyboard or crappy built-in display in the first place. The Macbook is your computer - add the display and keyboard and mouse that make you productive.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by monatron »

0x0 wrote: post #37
masklinn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.

Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960. Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!! This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.

It is if you're making a critique of the manufacturer. Apple has no control over where you choose to buy the machine.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by mcphage »

0x0 wrote: post #19
pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple sells a USB-C to Lightning cable, so you don't need a dongle to connect an iPhone. The rest of your points stand though.

For €5000 you can't connect your state-of-the-art iPhone to your state-of-the-art Mac out of the box. You have to pay extra, and you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter and hope you don't forget it! Fucking lol.

> you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter

Huh? It's not a dongle, it's just a cable. You do need a cable to connect your phone to your laptop.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by techtivist »

I never thought I could move to a touch only phone because I do a lot of "proper" typing on my phone, which is why I stuck to my Blackberry until my first iPhone which was a 5 (yes that long). Which is to say, I don't think we will miss the tactile escape and function keys. And same goes for dedicated HDMI port and microsd card slot (seriously how often does one use the latter)

Remember when apple got rid of the floppy drive and then the disk drive? Do we still complain about those?

Headphone jack on iPhone is a different concern, since bluetooth headphones are still not as ubiquitous and having something else to charge a headache.

But none of these concerns (except for maybe the absence of Magsafe) is really a dealbreaker.

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