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Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by makomk »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #33
Gargoyle wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm not missing the selective withholding. And no one has shown any change to released information. Not once.

There's reason to believe, based on reports from people who leaked emails to wikileaks, that they selectively withhold information that shine light on russia: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wikileaks-syria-russia... In fact, if you really want to read into it: > US govt funded #PanamaPapers attack story on Putin via USAID. Some good journalists but no model for integrity. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7…

> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717670056650530816 almost sounds like WL had knowledge but decided not to act because it was critical of Putin.

The problem with OCCRP is that they don't have knowledge critical of Putin - they have knowledge about people like, say, one of his ex-colleague's kids but make the headline and lede of every Russia-related article they post about Putin and not the actual people involved. They don't seem to take this approach with any of the other countries they report on. Wikileaks are far from being the only ones to remark on this.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by godd2 »

idlewords wrote: post #27
Gargoyle wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of their releases have been discredited. Focusing on personalities is a mistake.

Zeynep Tufekci had a pretty ruthless takedown of their indiscriminate data dump during the Turkish coup. They put thousands of ordinary citizens in danger for no reason whatsoever. The material wasn't even vetted by someone who spoke the language. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdog...

If they were in danger, perhaps we should blame those who were pointing guns.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by oelmekki »

abgawrv wrote: post #36
bobsgame wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NSFW due to images in replies and language: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94081465/julian-assange-w... http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94082701 http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94075699

No way, that's absurd (the "help him" message, not that Assange might be in danger). First, those tweets were not posted one after another, or even in chronological order. Second, it's a mixture of missing letters and extra letters, and for example in "recipie" they select "e", when it's obviously "i" that is the extra letter. And then why take three letters from "algorithim"? And most importantly, many of these twee…

Let's go through the various possibilities, here. I see three of them:

1. this is over interpretation and there is no message

2. there is a message because wikileaks account is under control and want to get a message through

3. there is a message because wikileaks want to gain favors from conspiracy theorists

(please people, feel free to add more)

I would tend to see the first possibility as the most probable, because indeed, the "rules" used to compose this message are really not rigorous.

I would give same probability to the two next ones. Gaining access to the people handling the account and forcing them into tweeting damaging things seems possible. I would not understand why this would be accomplished instead of just taking over the account, though.

Leveraging conspiracy theorist also sounds like a possibility. Rumors are a strong weapon, easily undermining convictions with background doubt. And if confronted about it, they could totally say they never intended to do such thing and it's plain over interpretation. But of course, tin foil support is not the best support you can hope for.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by alasdair_ »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

There is something really weird going on with the wikileaks twitter right now. Lots of odd posts, lots of misspellings, lots of links to things like Politico that they never linked to before. WAY more partisan than before.

This all started the day Equador cut off his net access. Assange has not been seen in public since.

How hard would it be for them to post a five second video clip with today's newspaper?

Current thinking is that wikileaks is no longer in control of their twitter account and/or Assange is missing.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by alasdair_ »

Theodores wrote: post #9

I do find that there is something surreal about Twitter and the U.S. election, it has become a primary communication channel. We used to have 'I have a dream' speeches, nowadays it is lol txt tweets. Donald Trump's contribution to this tweet-thread is an example: "Wow! @wikileaks admits its supporters are engaged in anti-American cyber-terrorism. No wonder Wikileakes loves me so much! #ImWithPutin" Is that really fro…

That's clearly not donald tump's real account. "#imwithputin"? really?

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by imron »

idlewords wrote: post #27
Gargoyle wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of their releases have been discredited. Focusing on personalities is a mistake.

Zeynep Tufekci had a pretty ruthless takedown of their indiscriminate data dump during the Turkish coup. They put thousands of ordinary citizens in danger for no reason whatsoever. The material wasn't even vetted by someone who spoke the language. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdog...

That data dump of personal details wasn't even released by Wikileaks:

https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t...

I'm not sure why you (and others) are trying to hold them responsible for it.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by idlewords »

imron wrote: post #46
idlewords wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zeynep Tufekci had a pretty ruthless takedown of their indiscriminate data dump during the Turkish coup. They put thousands of ordinary citizens in danger for no reason whatsoever. The material wasn't even vetted by someone who spoke the language. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdog...

That data dump of personal details wasn't even released by Wikileaks: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t... I'm not sure why you (and others) are trying to hold them responsible for it.

Quoting Zeynep in that piece:

“I actually never had a conclusion on who the uploader was, since it wasn’t central to my complaint about actions of Wikileaks: that they had misrepresented what the emails were, and that they had repeatedly publicized these doxing databases as “full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more”. I’m glad to see one party step up and take responsibility, but this doesn’t absolve Wikileaks of their role in all parts of this “leak” which never should have happened since it exposed no wrongdoing by a government or a powerful actor, merely the emails of ordinary people, and sensitive personal information of 20-30 million ordinary people. I tried to explain this directly to Wikileaks, but they blocked me after I started showing them tweets from Turkey’s leading anti-censorship activists who were disgusted and horrified by these actions, especially since they will now become a strong talking point for pro-censorship forces in Turkey.”

I find the fact that they blocked her especially obnoxious.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by throw324159 »

abgawrv wrote: post #36
bobsgame wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NSFW due to images in replies and language: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94081465/julian-assange-w... http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94082701 http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/94075699

No way, that's absurd (the "help him" message, not that Assange might be in danger). First, those tweets were not posted one after another, or even in chronological order. Second, it's a mixture of missing letters and extra letters, and for example in "recipie" they select "e", when it's obviously "i" that is the extra letter. And then why take three letters from "algorithim"? And most importantly, many of these twee…

That's not true, they were posted in the last ~48 hours and Julian has been cut off since last Sunday. And only one letter is out of order. I'm not saying we should have full confidence that this is a distress message, but it deserves to raise an eyebrow and put some pressure on figuring out what has (or hasn't) become of Julian.
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