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Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by cm2187 »

meowface wrote: post #36
cm2187 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also what amazed me is that he would casually threaten to strike Russia. It seems that no one considers these attacks as an act of war. But that's what they are.

It's espionage, not necessarily an act of war. The US government is threatening to strike back with more espionage. (If they haven't already...)

Espionage is stealing data. Disrupting utility services is an act of war, whether it is shutting down an electricity power plant, cutting communications, or any other act of sabotage.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by jonlucc »

meowface wrote: post #36
cm2187 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also what amazed me is that he would casually threaten to strike Russia. It seems that no one considers these attacks as an act of war. But that's what they are.

It's espionage, not necessarily an act of war. The US government is threatening to strike back with more espionage. (If they haven't already...)

I think it could be either. Destruction vs information gathering would seem to be the line to me.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by [deleted] »

meowface wrote: post #36
cm2187 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also what amazed me is that he would casually threaten to strike Russia. It seems that no one considers these attacks as an act of war. But that's what they are.

It's espionage, not necessarily an act of war. The US government is threatening to strike back with more espionage. (If they haven't already...)

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Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by gamegod »

Irony alert:

> "But technology providers in the United States could suffer blowback. As Dyn fell under recurring attacks on Friday, Mr. York, the chief strategist, said such assaults were the reason so many companies are pushing at least parts of their infrastructure to cloud computing networks, to decentralize their systems and make them harder to attack."

Pushing your infrastructure to cloud computing is not decentralization - it's centralization, and we're all doing it. Imagine if an attack like this was against AWS... we'd all be screwed.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by fowlerpower »

Why? Let them invade another country, let them hack our infrastructure next such as our water supply? You think letting it go or doing nothing is the answer?

This guy Putin is no different than Hitler, let him do this sort of thing and you will have much bigger problems in a couple of years.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by JohnStrange »

fowlerpower wrote: post #37

The U.S. has changed the rules of engagment to state that any cyber attack can be met with real military counterattack. If the Russians are behind it, after being emboldened by Ukraine and Syria, the United States has to respond. I'm not saying all out war but I am saying we have to show the Russians that this affects everything we are about. It affects our businesses, our elections, and our way of life. I am saying…

That's a great way into a nuclear holocaust, and I appreciate it. I always wanted to test my prepper skills, although I have to admit that I'm not really a prepper, more like a guy who makes fun of them, and don't even own a Geiger counter (because the good ones are fucking expensive).

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Post by carbocation »

fowlerpower wrote: post #37

The U.S. has changed the rules of engagment to state that any cyber attack can be met with real military counterattack. If the Russians are behind it, after being emboldened by Ukraine and Syria, the United States has to respond. I'm not saying all out war but I am saying we have to show the Russians that this affects everything we are about. It affects our businesses, our elections, and our way of life. I am saying…

> I am saying there should be military action and if that leads to war then so be it

I don't think that war with any nation, much less Russia, should ever be such a casual consideration. Measured in human suffering, military conflict is inestimably more awful than brief internet downtime.

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Post by fowlerpower »

carbocation wrote: post #48
fowlerpower wrote: post #37

The U.S. has changed the rules of engagment to state that any cyber attack can be met with real military counterattack. If the Russians are behind it, after being emboldened by Ukraine and Syria, the United States has to respond. I'm not saying all out war but I am saying we have to show the Russians that this affects everything we are about. It affects our businesses, our elections, and our way of life. I am saying…

> I am saying there should be military action and if that leads to war then so be it I don't think that war with any nation, much less Russia, should ever be such a casual consideration. Measured in human suffering, military conflict is inestimably more awful than brief internet downtime.

Of course I agree with you but it's not about the internet downtime.

It's about messing with or elections it's about the invasions. You let it all go on long enough and you will have much bigger problems in a few years time.

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