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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

linkregister wrote: post #34
benevol wrote: post #12

So now employers are being told to have their employees put business data (potentially even sensitive or secret) on US servers that are "owned" by the US government (see PRISM, etc.), while everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. How stupid do you think the rest of the world is?

> everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. I didn't know that, can you give some examples of this? I heard about the US government making a WTO claim over bribery by Airbus in Saudi Arabia ostensibly discovered by electronic surveillance (not PRISM-related), but this is in the gray area.

The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3].

[1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-...

[2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d...

[3] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by gjolund »

dbg31415 wrote: post #16

Yes, just what I want... more crap from Facebook. I've been so very satisfied with how much of my personal data they sell to marketers thus far, I really want them to start tracking me at work too. Hopefully they will pair the launch with an aggressive sales campaign targeted at people in HR so I won't get a say in the matter and it'll just be rolled out for my coworkers without our input. That would be just swell.

Are you from the future?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by optim_cynic33 »

(Throwaway because this includes inside baseball theory and it's not appropriate to comment as my usual self)

The technical document https://developers.facebook.com/docs/workplace/account-manag... includes an example to create a new user via an authenticated POST request.

Previously facebook had a party line that each human had at most one facebook account (which was in contrast to its competitors where some humans had more than one account, e.g. @HistoryInPics), and creating an account required a few more hurdles than a single POST request. Now that businesses can create users it looks like that line has subtly disappeared.

If workplace takes off, I would expect faster growth in monthly active users because both the numerator will be larger and now business will be paying people to log in to facebook, and those users will also likely want to glance at their personal accounts, as well.

Plus, this move makes it harder for corporate firewalls to block facebook altogether, hits against google suite, and makes browsing facebook at work defensible... super interesting.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nashadelic »

mahyarm wrote: post #31

The lack of slack/irc style large chatrooms is what killed fb@work adoption at my work. If fb wants to compete I think they will need to add that.

I believe that is deliberate and if Facebook wants to succeed beyond tech companies, it will do well not to add any programmer-happy / commands, @usernames and single-threaded chatrooms

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by linkregister »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41
linkregister wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. I didn't know that, can you give some examples of this? I heard about the US government making a WTO claim over bribery by Airbus in Saudi Arabia ostensibly discovered by electronic surveillance (not PRISM-related), but this is in the gray area.

The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d..…

I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue.

The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption scandals involving the Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff. U.S. decision makers should probably know if a trade partner and friendly nation is about to have massive political unrest due to corruption charges!

If you wish to change the subject to "economic espionage is wrong" or something like that, feel free. If so, please don't imply my assertion is incorrect. I think that is misleading.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by meira »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41
linkregister wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. I didn't know that, can you give some examples of this? I heard about the US government making a WTO claim over bribery by Airbus in Saudi Arabia ostensibly discovered by electronic surveillance (not PRISM-related), but this is in the gray area.

The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d..…

Yep, here in Brazil digital info was used to "softly" overthrow a government. I don't think it can get any worse, only easy and more common.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by meira »

linkregister wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d..…

I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue. The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption sc…

What about FIFA? And why nobody is hearing about it anymore? All that scandal was only to pressure brazillian major media group, Globo, responsible for most of bribering in futebol. But then Globo delivered what US demanded and nobody hear about FIFA scandal anymore
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