Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran • Hacker News Board

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by candiodari » Fri, Sep 30, 2016, 3:00 PM UTC

aikah wrote: post #13

mkaziz wrote: post #8

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Wearing a burkini would get you in trouble in France, I hear.

> Wearing a burkini would get you in trouble in France, I hear. No, these city laws have been struck down by a higher authority. You can't wear a burka or a niqab though I still see women wearing that stuff in Paris suburbs, granted in places where 90% of the population is muslim and no non-muslim would dare live in.

Ssh, the worldview of half of hacker news depends on believing that such neighbourhoods in Paris, or any other European city, are inclusive and tolerant, as opposed to the violently racist attitude you find there in reality.

After all immigrants good, "that" religion good, it's all the fault of Mr. Trump, capiche ?

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by candiodari » Fri, Sep 30, 2016, 3:02 PM UTC

toomanybeersies wrote: post #17

tmptmp wrote: post #11

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>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world. Need to change slightly . I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, wh…

Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman. The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.

How about the rule that if you change religion, you get executed ? That one applies in Iran, doesn't it ? What does that say about muslim tolerance - in Iran and elsewhere ?

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by x1798DE » Fri, Sep 30, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

gonvaled wrote: post #33

x1798DE wrote: post #25

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Not a particularly good example, women can be topless in NYC: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/24/434315957/...

Which is exactly why as many women as men are going topless in NYC, right? I could be misguided and maybe women have less tendency of going topless. Do you have any studies at hand?

No one said it's popular, just that it's not illegal.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by gonvaled » Fri, Sep 30, 2016, 9:34 PM UTC

x1798DE wrote: post #43

gonvaled wrote: post #33

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Which is exactly why as many women as men are going topless in NYC, right? I could be misguided and maybe women have less tendency of going topless. Do you have any studies at hand?

No one said it's popular, just that it's not illegal .

And I am saying that because it is legal it does not mean it is accepted. You don't have the weight of the state, but the weight of society.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by Sideloader » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

Rebel Media, the publishers of this piece, is Ezra Levant's project. He's a Canadian far-right agitator/performance artist with a particular hate on for Muslims. His shtick is OTT whining about Muslims and "leftists". He did, however, expose Canada's draconian quasi-judicial speech "police" as the totalitarian farce it is, so kudos for that. But for the most part he is pushing an agenda and his fact checking is...slightly biased. Just thought I'd mention that as this type of overt political stuff is usually frowned upon at HN.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Post by Sideloader » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 4:31 AM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #22

chucksmash wrote: post #20

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According to [1], the answer seems to be yes by and large. [1]: http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

I think we all know in practice they would be arrested in most states, even if there were no eventual charges. (Similar to what would happen in Iran)

Why is this being down voted? Do readers of this board really think a woman chess player from Papua New Guinea would be allowed to participate in a chess tournament on American soil if she refuses to conform to the US cultural norm that requires a woman cover her upper body when outside the home?