Well the US kills tens of civilians (like in the recent bombings of the "coalition") with drones or bombers - there's nothing in the headlines with such rhetoric, and it's all justified and civilized. When our "friends" the Saudis and the Qatari kill thousands in Yemen - it's fine. When Turkey violates a sovereign nation and performs a military operation in Syria - it's fine. When Kiev kills thousands of people in East Ukraine, when they shell orphanages, schools, malls, residential areas - it's all just and okay. This hypocrisy is sickening! Why would the Russia and pro-Russian rebels down an airplane that will do nothing but hurt their agenda?! And how can an airplane chose to fly above areas with an ongoing military conflict?!
MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
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Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
And a bunch of other airlines are not diverting from Iraq because they disagree about the danger. At the time of the MH17 shootdown, some airlines were already diverting around eastern Ukraine, and many others were not. A reasonable assessment of the danger was made, and they decided that it was safe enough to continue flying there. That assessment turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't mean the it was "reckless."
What was the weather situation over this region on that day?
I have no idea. Why do you ask?
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also that the missile was transported from Russia shortly before the shootdown, and the launcher and remaining missiles were transported back to Russia. They mean "came from" in a more specific manner than just that it was made there.
That was from social media images that are not news. It was reported on at the time. I'm not sure what's new here other than a two years too late rubber stamp of eyewitness reports.
What's new is that the statement is now based on a great deal of hard evidence and investigation, rather than a couple of pictures and some internet commentators.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#44I wonder why US and Ukraine still not made public a photos taken by space satellites?
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#45It is me or title looks very ambiguous? It sounds that missile was launched from Russian grounds. What a scary way to begin a morning.
It doesn't actually matter whether someone moved the missile a bit outside of Russia to fire it and took it back to Russia after the fact or did it from Russia.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you for real? There's war zones all over the world, usually that doesn't mean shooting down a passenger flight 10km high, for which you need specialized equipment, not just a random shoulder carry rocket. Until the incident, airspace at civilian cruising altitudes was free and open in Ukraine. Hint: space is 3d, lower levels were closed in various places.
On July 14th 2014, just three days before the MH17 incident, an Antonov AN-26 Ukrainian military transport plane was hit at 21 000 feet altitude, so there was a strong indication that SAMs were available to the seperatists. According to the Dutch Safety Board, the airspace should have been closed [1]. [1] http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/dutch-safety-board-u...
AN-26 was hit with a MANPADS which cannot target altitude at which civilian airliners fly. No one at the time thought that Russia was crazy enough to supply the rebels with BUKs.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#47The dutch led investigation has been a joke from the start, the previous report they released was submitted to Russia for screening prior to publication, they had them remove any references to this being an carried out by Russian soldiers operating in Eastern Ukraine as all evidence to date clearly shows.
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being down voted for what?
None of what i said is remotely controversial.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#48Why is it here?
The other day US have killed another 62 Syrians and over hundred wounded by mistake. Still no news here about it.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#49It is me or title looks very ambiguous? It sounds that missile was launched from Russian grounds. What a scary way to begin a morning.
Highly politicized stories aren't a good fit for HN to begin with, but if anyone can suggest an accurate, neutral title, we can change it.
Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'
#50I wonder why US and Ukraine still not made public a photos taken by space satellites?
Oh, I can think of a couple of reasons:
a) Relevant coverage does not exist. (I find it unlikely that full real-time coverage of the globe is available.)
b) Coverage exists, but is kept secret so as not to disclose surveillance capabilities.