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LXQt 0.11 Released

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Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by majewsky »

fredmorcos wrote: post #37
scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

> Almost nobody actually collaborates on anything. Everybody wants to do their own thing and it leads to developer fragmentation. Every project is undermanned. LXQt is especially undermanned right now. The Cinnamon guys, last I heard, want to switch to Qt but don't have the developers to do it and would end up being a LXQt clone. As an example, instead of starting another desktop project (lxde, razor-qt, lxqt), some…

> As an example, instead of starting another desktop project (lxde, razor-qt, lxqt), some could have contributed to or collaborated with xfce.

As a former Qt (and KDE) developer, I can very much understand wanting to develop with the language and framework you're intimately familiar with. At least at the time (~2010), C++ with Qt was light years ahead of C with GTK.

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by pjmlp »

bemused wrote: post #26
scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

maybe focusing the generation perspective on the tech involved can help with moving this forward - as much as I'd like to contribute to a sane linux desktop in general (and LXQt is definetely the most promising one atm), theres no way I go back to write c++ based 'old school' UI-code anymore. I think for writing UIs you really want the flexibility of a declarative approach - haven't kept up with QML lately but v1 was…

The major difference between QML and the UI approaches from Oracle, Apple, Google and Microsoft for their layout engines, is using a JavaScript variant instead of XML, but the spirit is the same.

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by majewsky »

scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

> especially disappointed with the clusterfuck KDE has become...

Can you elaborate? I'm on Plasma 5 and quite satisfied with it, though my use of KDE applications has constantly declined over the years. (Which has nothing to do with KDE specifically, just with my workflow becoming more and more CLI-centric over the years.)

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by majewsky »

qznc wrote: post #38
a3n wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people who care about their desktop have migrated or are migrating to OSX I'm not among the most people. I don't care about my desktop, and I've migrated away from all the focus on appearance to tiling window managers, currently awesome. I almost never see my desktop, I just want my windows. I'm not a "the mouse is evil, twm's are efficient," I just got fed up with all the focus on the desktop. I don't care, I…

I live in terminal and browser almost exclusively, but I still want a full desktop environment. I switched to Mate on my old laptop, because Unity and Gnome3 need to much resources. I tried others (XFCE, LXDE, ...) but they lacked little features like: * hibernate when closing lid * cpu/mem/network visualization in top/bottom bar * clean theme without much fiddling * mute/unmute via hardware button And the rest I for…

> * hibernate when closing lid

This is actually systemd territory today.

(One of the reasons why I like systemd in practice. They may run counter to the Unix philosophy in every possible way, but at least shit now works the same across nearly all distros and desktops.)

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by fredmorcos »

majewsky wrote: post #41
fredmorcos wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost nobody actually collaborates on anything. Everybody wants to do their own thing and it leads to developer fragmentation. Every project is undermanned. LXQt is especially undermanned right now. The Cinnamon guys, last I heard, want to switch to Qt but don't have the developers to do it and would end up being a LXQt clone. As an example, instead of starting another desktop project (lxde, razor-qt, lxqt), some…

> As an example, instead of starting another desktop project (lxde, razor-qt, lxqt), some could have contributed to or collaborated with xfce. As a former Qt (and KDE) developer, I can very much understand wanting to develop with the language and framework you're intimately familiar with. At least at the time (~2010), C++ with Qt was light years ahead of C with GTK.

Absolutely, but you'd be a nice guy if you factor out the essential and common parts into C libraries, so that others can make use of it as well (from any language and framework) which increases collaboration and decreases fragmentation.

Some might see the need for C libraries as evil and unnecessary (I personally don't), but it's the situation we're in.

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by majewsky »

sudhirkhanger wrote: post #24

Any of you use a lightweight desktop environment like on high end expensive system. Why? Does it matter if you end up using lightweight desktop environment on a low end system and end up using resource intensive apps on top of it?

I tend towards lightweight anything just because I'm so fed up with the ridiculous complexity all around us. I take pride in understanding what every process on my systems actually does, and why it is necessary.

Lightweight anything is also a good idea security-wise (reduction of the Trusted Computing Base).

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by vamur »

scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

According to Netmarketshare Linux is now above 2%. And if ad-blocking users are accounted for numbers should be close to 3%. Additionally, the number of games for Linux on Steam is about 2700 and should be 2800 by the end of the year. So Linux desktop is anything but dead. It will obviously remain a niche for a long time but that is not an issue as long as it is a viable alternative to Windows and OSX.

As far as Linux DEs, most people use Unity, Cinnamon or Gnome and are quite content. And with today's RAM prices there is little place for a lightweight environment like LXQT, especially with QT apps looking worse than Gnome apps out of the box. LXDE could still have been a successfull DE todat had they not wasted time on merger and toolkit switch.

>>Most people who care about their desktop have migrated or are migrating to OSX and the whole thing snowballs.

According to Netmarketshare, users are abandoning OSX to Windows 10 and on a smaller scale to Linux. This is not suprising considering the ridiculously overpriced hardware, Apple no longer caring about the OS, or gaming on its hardware.

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by pzone »

majewsky wrote: post #43
scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

> especially disappointed with the clusterfuck KDE has become... Can you elaborate? I'm on Plasma 5 and quite satisfied with it, though my use of KDE applications has constantly declined over the years. (Which has nothing to do with KDE specifically, just with my workflow becoming more and more CLI-centric over the years.)

I was a bit surprised by that line as well. I mean of course KDE is going to be behind GNOME in general since it is a bit more volunteer centric with less corporate funding, but I don't think it's in bad shape at all, and it is my preferred desktop environment. Many individual KDE projects are open-source gems. (Krita, Kdenlive, Dolphin, KDE Connect)

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by int_19h »

sudhirkhanger wrote: post #24

Any of you use a lightweight desktop environment like on high end expensive system. Why? Does it matter if you end up using lightweight desktop environment on a low end system and end up using resource intensive apps on top of it?

Those things aren't lightweight only in the matter of resources used - they're also lightweight in how much attention they demand when interacting with them. Some people just want a simpler flow with less overhead.

Re: LXQt 0.11 Released

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Post by n3storm »

scrollaway wrote: post #2

So while this is on HN, I wanted to talk a bit about LXQt and desktop OSes in general. Context: I'm one of the original leads on LXQt, and I initiated the merge of Razor-qt and LXDE-Qt into LXQt. I've been using LXQt as my main desktop for several years now. I've kept up with what other desktops have been doing. I've been especially impressed by the efforts of the GNOME team, and especially disappointed with the clus…

Same old song, pal. I have been using XFCE since long time ago, no big changes, very few bugs, no bloat, no propaganda or vaporware. It's solid, it works, it's light on resources, it's configurable (I have made mine look like Mac OS 9 and BeOS).

I just hope (crossing fingers) moving to GTK3 doesn't mean visual bugs.

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