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Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Really curious about how this will pan out as everything said in the article screams at me like someone has no clue how difficult making the device is going to be, regardless of how much ”AI” runs on it. Hardware is really hard.

... but without new Hardware there will be no new future. Just more of the same.

We really need to embrace hardware more.

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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post #18

Really curious about how this will pan out as everything said in the article screams at me like someone has no clue how difficult making the device is going to be, regardless of how much ”AI” runs on it. Hardware is really hard.

I had the exact opposite impression. The hardware didn't sound like anything too special to me; especially with it only needing to handle audio. Fitting enough processing power to handle realtime "AI" in a package that size is the only thing jumping out at me. I'm sure they would be planning to offload that work to some 'cloud' to crunch though. (I personally dislike functionless, network-dependent hardware, but ever…

>Promising to deliver an AI that people could see as a friend is absolutely insane though. I don't see people being friends with something that couldn't complete the Turing Test

This is an interesting case. Turns out, given a creative approach it is possible to persuade a human that there is another human behind the screen. See ELIZA, "Turing tests". The methods are quite similar: constrain the domain and/or creatively manipulate human's expectations (e.g. the program that "passed" the Turing Test pretended to be a 13-year boy, so human jury tolerated its errors). The question is not how to fool humans but how to make such product non-trivially useful.

I think that the best approach currently available is applied in facebook M - use human workers to interact with customers while storing all interaction data and experimenting with training state of art ML models on it to eventually replace human workers.

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's this about their own cryptocurrency? Edit: Found it: https://getasteria.com/currency

It's a bitcoin fork. It looks like they're using it as a form of bond or stock; it's (partly/mostly) pre-mined, they're selling it at a particular rate, and they'll buy it back later when they start making a profit. Interesting! Anyone know someone else who's trying something similar?

I've got an email for a Nigerian prince you might be interested in.

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's this about their own cryptocurrency? Edit: Found it: https://getasteria.com/currency

It's a bitcoin fork. It looks like they're using it as a form of bond or stock; it's (partly/mostly) pre-mined, they're selling it at a particular rate, and they'll buy it back later when they start making a profit. Interesting! Anyone know someone else who's trying something similar?

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Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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I heartily recommend Kill Process (2016) by William Hertling, where a startup trying to bootstrap a social network uses AI to avoid empty network problem. The novel describes the version of this "done right" pretty well. Right now, you can find the version of this "done wrong" in "dating site" populated by chatbots.

Sounds like an interesting dystopia, and definitely geared toward programmers. Synopsis from the publisher: > By day, Angie, a twenty-year veteran of the tech industry, is a data analyst at Tomo, the world's largest social networking company; by night, she exploits her database access to profile domestic abusers and kill the worst of them. She can't change her own traumatic past, but she can save other women. > When…

Am I the only one who thinks that dystopian scifi got boring a decade or two ago, while utopian scifi is an almost entirely neglected genre?

I prefer a techno-optimistic point of view shown here http://foundersfund.com/anatomy-of-next/

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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post #18

Really curious about how this will pan out as everything said in the article screams at me like someone has no clue how difficult making the device is going to be, regardless of how much ”AI” runs on it. Hardware is really hard.

Not disagreeing that hardware is hard, but IMHO Its possible to get a comparable level of AI/DL performance in the "Asteria" device, using relatively available technology like Zynq FPGA[0] based boards like the Parallella[1]. I got my Parallella board from Kickstarter about 2 years ago. [0] http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/soc/zynq-7000... [1] http://www.parallella.org/

Even if we relax hardware requirements, e.g. assume a Xeon+Titan X hardware, it is still a question if a viable conversational agent that uses deep learning to generate conversations and adapt to surroundings can be developed around it. Maybe it is possible to use DL to extract some meaning vector (or textual description) that is later used by conventional NLP chatbot to converse with user. I wonder if the quality will be good enough.

Also we don't know if the company will really develop their product to fruition, they may simply develop a good (but not viable as a product) demo and be acqui-hired by one of big players.

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Talking cars and appliance were a fad a decade ago. They drove consumers crazy who disabled these features. Consumers only want emergency alerts and answers to inquiries, not bff with their toaster.

10 years? More like 30 :-) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Maestro

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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Reminds me of John Varley's book Steel Beach. Set in the future, humans live on the Moon and everyone on Luna is connected to the central computer (CC) which behaves at once as government, friend, guide, psychologist, encyclopaedia and diary.

Fascinating stuff. Other topics in the book: nanotechnology and bioengineering as everyday commodities, gender fluidity and the CC-human relationship. Reminds me that the book is due for a reread!

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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They are already taking device pre-orders and selling coins for their own cryptocurrency, but I wouldn't give these guys any money right now. Other than blacking out our collective tech-hype bingo board, they've provided very little real information about how they intend to make any of this work. From what they promise I'd expect their team to be stacked with AI researchers, but it looks like just a CEO, a COO and a…

As a thought exercise, here's how a hypothetical scam product (we'll call it Hysteria) could work. 1. Market Hysteria as a revolutionary product in whatever space is currently attracting the most hype. Get everyone excited by promising to bring a popular science fiction book/film to life. 2. Spend half an afternoon cloning bitcoin to create new cryptocurrency linked to your product and start selling the coins. Offer…

How about doing all of this except build something real with a solid business plan? For some of us the hype is the hardest part.

Re: Forget virtual assistants, Asteria wants to be your AI friend

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> Eventually they're predicting. Then you can do things like ambient intelligence where you can provide services and you can provide products or experiences to people before they know they need it. So, it's your friend...but it's also there to sell you stuff. But just think of it as your friend. It sounds like they don't quite know what they're selling or how it's going to be useful to people (which they kinda admit)…

Your "friend" the Amway sales rep or annoying insurance salesman who always tries to bring conversations back to their bottom line. Same with "friends" that are obsessed with politics and all things devolve into their particular obsession.

As if we don't have enough narcissistic people to deal with every day. ;)

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