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Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#41

Post by wongarsu »

brianwawok wrote: post #37
justrossthings wrote: post #26

We've been using maximum of 1140px col-xl width since 1920x1080 was considered the bleeding edge, but now monitors with 2560x1440 resolution are becoming more common- where 1140 barely covers half the width of the screen . Isn't about time we had a grid container that fixed this?

What is the average resolution of a phone held vert?

Average of all phones is likely pretty bad, considering quality and quantity of cheap chinese phones. The average of your visitors is probably much better, but still a meaningless number.

More interesting: the Galaxy S7 has a 2560x1440 display. Same for the HTC 10 and the LG V10. The iPhone 6 Plus has a 1920×1080 display, with the iPhone 7 about to be revealed.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#42

Post by aioprisan »

brianwawok wrote: post #34
usaphp wrote: post #21

I see a lot of people here and on GitHub project page complaining about compatibility with older versions of bootstrap. I don't get it - if your project is already working on older version of bootstrap - why even bother updating it, I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something...I think it's neither bad or good thing that new version of bootstrap less and less compati…

> I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something Most people who use bootstrap3 use the JavaScript also. I suspect the worry is in 2 years (or however long they are bug fixing bootstrap3), newer browsers will start to break on bootstrap3, and you will have a complex way forward. What bootstrap4 is doing is good, but it also can cause pain for users of bootstrap3.

Please don't spread false information, that's not how CSS works.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#43

Post by niftich »

niftich wrote: post #33
ebbv wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's not meant for you to upgrade an existing front end from Bootstrap 3 to Bootstrap 4. It's meant for starting a new project on Bootstrap 4. If you already have a working project on Bootstrap 3 why bother upgrading? If they had to maintain backwards compatibility they wouldn't be able to make a lot of the improvements they make.

Presumably because at some point Bootstrap 3 will stop getting bug fixes. Historically, what has been their end-of-life policy?

So based on their github and some searching with google, historically they didn't have much of an end-of-life policy, because there were no bugfix releases for v1.x.x after v2 came out, and no bugfix releases for v2.x.x after v3 came out:

v3.0.0 - 2013-08-19

v3.0.0 RC1 - 2013-07-27

v2.3.2 - 2013-07-27

v2.3.1 - 2013-03-01

v2.0.0 - 2012-01-31

v1.4.0 - 2011-11-03

v1.3.0 - 2011-09-16

With major version 4 still being in alpha, there are concurrent releases of 3 going on still, but based on their previous releases, I don't expect a v3 bugfix release after 4.0.0.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#45

Post by angry-hacker »

wongarsu wrote: post #41
brianwawok wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the average resolution of a phone held vert?

Average of all phones is likely pretty bad, considering quality and quantity of cheap chinese phones. The average of your visitors is probably much better, but still a meaningless number. More interesting: the Galaxy S7 has a 2560x1440 display. Same for the HTC 10 and the LG V10. The iPhone 6 Plus has a 1920×1080 display, with the iPhone 7 about to be revealed.

But these phones are not that wide when it comes to CSS pixels. This is just resolution.

I believe latest iPhone is 414px.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#47

Post by craigvn »

brianwawok wrote: post #34
usaphp wrote: post #21

I see a lot of people here and on GitHub project page complaining about compatibility with older versions of bootstrap. I don't get it - if your project is already working on older version of bootstrap - why even bother updating it, I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something...I think it's neither bad or good thing that new version of bootstrap less and less compati…

> I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something Most people who use bootstrap3 use the JavaScript also. I suspect the worry is in 2 years (or however long they are bug fixing bootstrap3), newer browsers will start to break on bootstrap3, and you will have a complex way forward. What bootstrap4 is doing is good, but it also can cause pain for users of bootstrap3.

The fear is not that but that new features of Bootstrap will not be available to legacy users without major upgrades.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#48

Post by rspeer »

flukus wrote: post #32
ausjke wrote: post #23

It's said Bootstrap5 will possible use postcss, which is great. Hope this can be released soon, I honestly feel tired waiting for Angular2 and Bootstrap4 and I began to use something else instead(vuejs that is, stuck with Bootstrap3)

Is that 3 releases in a row where they've changed their css compiler?

It may be that changing the CSS compiler is the only change they make that's big enough to warrant changing the major version number.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#49

Post by Bahamut »

ebbv wrote: post #24
mixmastamyk wrote: post #5

Beginning to wonder why they need to break compatibility so often?

Because it's not meant for you to upgrade an existing front end from Bootstrap 3 to Bootstrap 4. It's meant for starting a new project on Bootstrap 4. If you already have a working project on Bootstrap 3 why bother upgrading? If they had to maintain backwards compatibility they wouldn't be able to make a lot of the improvements they make.

We have been in the process of upgrading from Bootstrap 3 to 4 at work (in addition to other changes) - libraries we use on top of Bootstrap are moving to 4, so we need to too as long as we continue to maintain these applications.

In addition, it allows us to simplify CSS some by moving away from Bootstrap's crufty float-based grid system into a flexbox system, which simplifies some of our code.

The Bootstrap 3 to 4 upgrade isn't too bad as far as upgrades go.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

#50

Post by nulagrithom »

aioprisan wrote: post #42
brianwawok wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something Most people who use bootstrap3 use the JavaScript also. I suspect the worry is in 2 years (or however long they are bug fixing bootstrap3), newer browsers will start to break on bootstrap3, and you will have a complex way forward. What bootstrap4 is doing is good, but it also can cause pain for users of bootstrap3.

Please don't spread false information, that's not how CSS works.

Bootstrap isn't just CSS: http://getbootstrap.com/javascript/
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