Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India • Hacker News Board

Re: Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India

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Post by nileshtrivedi » Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 6:35 AM UTC

dublinben wrote: post #27

geodel wrote: post #18

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Well if huge number of people are living in or very close to poverty I do not think data privacy is very high on their priority.

Data privacy shouldn't be a privilege for the wealthy. All internet users deserve the same rights in this regard.

Question is: Should poor people not be allowed to forfeit some rights for things that they value more? In other words, should poor people not be allowed to enter into a contract?

That's exactly what a CONTRACT is: Giving up some rights, in return for things that you didn't deserve before.

Re: Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India

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Post by witty_username » Sat, Sep 03, 2016, 5:14 PM UTC

Manishearth wrote: post #19

witty_username wrote: post #13

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HTTPS will allow them to only see the domain. Tor stops the domain from being revealed to them.

Pushing for the entire internet to use https is hard. Pushing for ISPs to be barred from reading http pages is easier. My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans and letting me know that I've reached my data cap (after which I still have internet, but at a reduced speed). Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

> Pushing for ISPs to be barred from reading http pages is easier.

That's needed, but even then any random person who intercepts the cables can read your data. Or with WPA2-PSK, anybody with the password can read your data. So, treat HTTP as in the clear; it's likely someone's watching.

> Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

Tor has high latency, but the bandwidth is not that bad. CAPTCHAs only take 20 seconds per site. Other points are true.

Re: Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India

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Post by witty_username » Sat, Sep 03, 2016, 5:15 PM UTC

0xmohit wrote: post #25

Manishearth wrote: post #19

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Pushing for the entire internet to use https is hard. Pushing for ISPs to be barred from reading http pages is easier. My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans and letting me know that I've reached my data cap (after which I still have internet, but at a reduced speed). Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

> My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans I've now gotten used to pages not opening up due to ad-blockers; I refuse to disable those. It may not be all that bad to shun sites that refuse to display content upon detecting ad-blockers. > Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas. And then you have Cloudflare.

I've used websites with Cloudflare over Tor. There's a CAPTCHA that takes about 10-20 seconds to solve, and then you can continue browsing the site.