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Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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Re: Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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Indeed, likewise for classical music too. I'm pretty involved in my local music scene. Everybody I know who makes a decent middle class income from music, teaches. For one thing, there's reasonable demand. For another, it's a way for a performer fill your schedule with work during the hours when they pretty much can't be performing.

While, I'm incredibly grateful for the music education I've received [and still play at the age where many fellow amateurs increasingly don't [though time well tell whether I keep this up as I intend to]], the idea that the vast majority of artists primarily teach the next generation does carry the whiff of a Ponzi scheme.

I should have been a bit more specific: The teaching that I'm talking about is private lessons for younger kids, K-12 schools, and even a handful of adults who take lessons as a leisure activity.

I took music lessons as a kid, from around age 6 through high school. My parents had no expectation that I would become a professional musician. (In fact, my dad later expressed his relief when he knew that I wouldn't). And in reality I would never have made the cut. Jazz bass was easier for me to get into than classical cello, because there was at the time a shortage of bassists, and nothing like the insane auditions that classical players go through. I was happy to let music be a serious sideline while I pursued math and physics as my college majors.

Today, my kids are themselves taking classical lessons, playing in the youth orchestra, etc. It's interesting, when the orchestra has its final concert every year, the program gives a little bio for each kid who is a high school senior, and many of them mention their future plans. A huge percentage of the kids in the orchestra are planning on studying science, math, computers, etc. A few will actually study those subjects in college, paid for by music scholarships. One of my band mates went through college that way, and is now employed in the software industry.

So it's a good kind of Ponzi scheme. ;-)

Re: Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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> Yet, for some reason, they spend their time playing Jazz derivatives and covers or as studio musicians. Because that's the kind of music they like to play and know best. If they went to music school, jazz and classical are the dominant music styles that are taught. Also, you can make a pretty good living as a studio musician. It's much less risky than trying to sell your own albums as a solo artist. > Interestingly…

dead on. for more examples of what goes by "jazz" these days: Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUymaxWmMw Hiatus Kaiyote - The World It Softly Lulls : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzFgkkQXWw Kamasi Washington - Changing of the Guard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQRBzSN9Vw Snarky Puppy - Don't You Know : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY3FaZmh-Y Thundercat - Them Changes : http…

I just listened to the first song, and it doesn't seem that new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZvAsVj4IJg

Re: Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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Your comment seemed flippant as you play off the title of the article, and I don't think the average reader wouldn't have interpreted your comment as a value judgment. What were you intending to convey with your factual observation?

> Your comment seemed flippant as you play off the title of the article, and I don't think the average reader wouldn't have interpreted your comment as a value judgment. Well, you, for one did. Your comment seems to imply that I thought jazz not selling also meant that jazz doesn't matter. > What were you intending to convey with your factual observation? Just what I said, nothing more, nothing less: that today jazz…

Write a flippant comment, expect a flippant response! Thanks for the clarification!

Re: Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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dead on. for more examples of what goes by "jazz" these days: Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUymaxWmMw Hiatus Kaiyote - The World It Softly Lulls : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzFgkkQXWw Kamasi Washington - Changing of the Guard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQRBzSN9Vw Snarky Puppy - Don't You Know : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY3FaZmh-Y Thundercat - Them Changes : http…

i like the songs, but to me it still looks like there is no innovation going on there. Just repackaging of old themes using new (digital) instruments. I think nothing comes close to Alan Holdsworth in terms of innovation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSd-WyrtfA

different senses of innovation /shrug

for stuff in the more progressive vein, check out:

Jaga Jazzist : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIFUQV20NM or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws25EyTGdTg

Jacob Collier - P.Y.T. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNxq6Q4v1w

more Hiatus Kaiyote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-e6-jjbrs0 or

more Snarky Puppy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XJ_s5IsQc

Re: Jazz in the 21st century: Playing outside the box

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post #42

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dead on. for more examples of what goes by "jazz" these days: Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUymaxWmMw Hiatus Kaiyote - The World It Softly Lulls : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzFgkkQXWw Kamasi Washington - Changing of the Guard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQRBzSN9Vw Snarky Puppy - Don't You Know : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY3FaZmh-Y Thundercat - Them Changes : http…

I just listened to the first song, and it doesn't seem that new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZvAsVj4IJg

well maybe listen to more than one ;D

I included that one as an example of how artists are merging instrumental hip hop back in with Jazz; there's plenty of other styles of Jazz in the list! You're right that a global statement of "couldn't have been made before 2010" for the whole list was a bit over the top.

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