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Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by smhost »

ekianjo wrote: post #24
GuiA wrote: post #18

For those not getting the reference, "senpai" is a Japanese honorific used to address one's upper classman in school. A common trope in Japanese medium is that a character will have a crush on a senpai (equivalent to a prefect or hall monitor in that context), only for them to be utterly oblivious to it. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SempaiKohai This is a witty paper, as other commenters are noting.

> For those not getting the reference, "senpai" is a Japanese honorific used to address one's upper classman in school. Not just in school. In work situations as well. Note that this is no real equivalent for the opposite (there is Kouhai but it's not used at all in the same way).

How is "kouhai" used? Is it not the same as hoobae (Korean)?

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by hueving »

waqf wrote: post #29
fdsaaf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given two socially well adjusted participants So non-socially-well-adjusted, raised-on-the-internet types shouldn't get to date? Your comment is tautological and merely says that people who are good at dating are good at dating.

You might as well argue that the SENPAI paper implies that people who aren't comfortable with homomorphic encryption shouldn't get to date.

>who aren't comfortable with homomorphic encryption shouldn't get to date.

It's 2016, homophobia should be shunned anyway.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

waqf wrote: post #29
fdsaaf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given two socially well adjusted participants So non-socially-well-adjusted, raised-on-the-internet types shouldn't get to date? Your comment is tautological and merely says that people who are good at dating are good at dating.

You might as well argue that the SENPAI paper implies that people who aren't comfortable with homomorphic encryption shouldn't get to date.

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Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by Kretiini »

smhost wrote: post #41
ekianjo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those not getting the reference, "senpai" is a Japanese honorific used to address one's upper classman in school. Not just in school. In work situations as well. Note that this is no real equivalent for the opposite (there is Kouhai but it's not used at all in the same way).

How is "kouhai" used? Is it not the same as hoobae (Korean)?

I don't know any Korean, but the difference in Japanese is that you (generally) don't address people with kōhai. The younger one usually says '-senpai' or 'senpai', the elder just ''.

They're really not that different.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by peterburkimsher »

The paper is very helpful for the arbitration of a "simple, binary phenomenon". Section 4.1 correctly investigates ternary responses.

However, logic may only be used if a common GND is accepted. If Alice does not believe in absolute truth, there is no way that trust can be established. Analogue systems may not approach 1, only digital logic can provide "TRUE" love.

Moral relativism is commonly professed. However, I theorise that an absolute 0 point can be readily established.

"Is cheating in relationships always wrong?"

If a common GND cannot be established this way, then the crush may be ended without wasting more time running the simulation.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by ekianjo »

smhost wrote: post #41
ekianjo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those not getting the reference, "senpai" is a Japanese honorific used to address one's upper classman in school. Not just in school. In work situations as well. Note that this is no real equivalent for the opposite (there is Kouhai but it's not used at all in the same way).

How is "kouhai" used? Is it not the same as hoobae (Korean)?

Kouhai is not used behind a person's name. And you can usually refer to a senpai just by calling them "senpai" and whoever you are talking to would understand who are refering to. But "kouhai" is never used like what I described above - it's purely an adjective to describe the position of a junior student.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by flukus »

s_m_t wrote: post #22

This already exists, it is called flirting. Given two socially well adjusted participants it allows either party to back down without hurting the other parties feelings and allows everyone to save face. The person escalating the flirtation doesn't feel bad because they aren't outright denied and the respondee isn't put in the awkward situation of having to deny someone. It also has the added benefit of allowing each…

Flirting has a high signal to noise ratio.

There are also many issues with unintentional signalling.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by flukus »

peteretep wrote: post #34
Pxl_Buzzard wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A solution: everyone is sequentially numbered. Evens rotate left one round, odds rotate right the next round. That way everyone has to move the same amount (assuming an even number of participants).

If I understand you correctly, not everyone then sees everyone else, which is likely to breed customer dissatisfaction

That's a pre-existing problem.

Re: Solving the Dating Problem with the SENPAI Protocol [pdf]

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Post by twokwy »

woliveirajr wrote: post #4
JacksonGariety wrote: post #2

There is a dating problem?

I thought Tinder had it solved...

Yeah, Tinder achieves exactly the objective described of both parties only finding out if both parties' responses are 1. (And suffers from the issue they discuss where 'detectable cheating' - in this case, swiping right regardless to maximise information gain - is difficult to prevent). But, as others have mentioned, it relies on the trusted third party, that is to say Tinder, being trustworthy and not performing what the paper amusingly refers to as a 'Matchmaker In The Middle' attack.
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